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02-11-2016, 08:09 AM

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My comment came from knowledge and experience.

To perform certain shots on a 9 foot table, a cheap cue just doesn't do the job

like a slightly more expensive cue. A cheap J&J or Kaiser will not perform

as well as the cheapest Joss cue. When you need extreme follow, your

cheap cue will run out of gas.



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In regards to J&J and Kaiser, what you suggest could be true, but I imagine there are some players with a $100 Schmelke or Players cue that could/would dispute your suggestion.

In my experience on 9ft tables I haven't felt like my shot potential was limited when using that $70 Players sneaky pete of mine (my normal playing cue cost $700 back in '04).

I think you're talking about cheaply made vs cheaply priced. There is a difference.

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02-11-2016, 08:11 AM

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My comment came from knowledge and experience.

To perform certain shots on a 9 foot table, a cheap cue just doesn't do the job

like a slightly more expensive cue. A cheap J&J or Kaiser will not perform

as well as the cheapest Joss cue. When you need extreme follow, your

cheap cue will run out of gas.



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Dude, u have no idea what your talking about. Got a nine footer in the basement and play on 9 footers in one of my leagues, and I shot with my Spain, carmeli or my Schmelke and never missed a beat, grant it they were all the same weights and had the same tips.

And all the shafts were maple. And to be honest, I'd have to say my draw was a little less with the Spain of the bunch, it was shorter and stiffer than the others. And Spain is also the one that is in the Hall of Fame.

Of course my cheap Brunswick from 1942 shoots pretty well, not bad for a $12 cue at the time


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02-11-2016, 08:58 AM

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Personally, I'm done with inlays and splices in my cues. Simple maple butt (maybe birdseye because it's pretty), maybe a ring or two, and that's it. Next cue will probably be wrapless too. I don't think I'd ever spend a dime on ornamentation again. If I have more to spend, I'll spend it on getting a better brand, maybe a spare shaft, whatever.
I feel exactly the same way. I have always admired cues where the beauty of the wood did the talking and not much cared for the bling. Therefore when I took an interest in building cues last year that was my goal. Make a solid cue that's pretty and plays well. Plus all the ornaments take a hell of a lot more skill and time to build, thus the expense. I don't think my interest and available time will allow me to get to that level even if I wanted to. Here are some cues I'm building right now that are almost complete. My next batch will have stitch rings and that's about it. I may do some inlays in the future and for sure points, but minimally. Less is more in that area IMO

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02-11-2016, 09:03 AM

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I feel exactly the same way. I have always admired cues where the beauty of the wood did the talking and not much cared for the bling. Therefore when I took an interest in building cues last year that was my goal. Make a solid cue that's pretty and plays well. Plus all the ornaments take a hell of a lot more skill and time to build, thus the expense. I don't think my interest and available time will allow me to get to that level even if I wanted to. Here are some cues I'm building right now that are almost complete. My next batch will have stitch rings and that's about it. I may do some inlays in the future and for sure points, but minimally. Less is more in that area IMO

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02-11-2016, 09:12 AM

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My comment came from knowledge and experience.

To perform certain shots on a 9 foot table, a cheap cue just doesn't do the job

like a slightly more expensive cue. A cheap J&J or Kaiser will not perform

as well as the cheapest Joss cue. When you need extreme follow, your

cheap cue will run out of gas.



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02-11-2016, 09:22 AM

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I feel exactly the same way. I have always admired cues where the beauty of the wood did the talking and not much cared for the bling. Therefore when I took an interest in building cues last year that was my goal. Make a solid cue that's pretty and plays well. Plus all the ornaments take a hell of a lot more skill and time to build, thus the expense. I don't think my interest and available time will allow me to get to that level even if I wanted to. Here are some cues I'm building right now that are almost complete. My next batch will have stitch rings and that's about it. I may do some inlays in the future and for sure points, but minimally. Less is more in that area IMO

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02-11-2016, 09:27 AM

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cheap cue will run out of gas.
Fortunately for me, my cue runs on stored solar power. I never even put gas into it. I suggest you get one; quieter and less smog in my pool room as well.

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I agree with Sam, they are very nice looking. What do your prices look like?
Right now I am not planning on selling any until I'm sure they are ready for prime time. I'm just learning and refining the needed skills and want to make sure they don't have issues in use. I would hate for my first impression to be a bad one in the world. The Bocote cue on the top of the photo is my player and I've been putting it through the rigors now for about 6 months. Breaking with it and all. So far so good. I have no ambitions to build a custom cue to anyone's specs because I don't want the stress of a time table to take the fun out of it. So I'm going to build cues I like and when I have a rack of them done and am convinced they are a good product I will offer them for sale. I have built a half dozen or so that I have more or less given away to my friends and am waiting for some time to go by. Beta testing if you will. As far as pricing I don't know for sure yet. I'm sure whatever it is won't be competing with my day job. They are however all one of ones which is cool.

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02-11-2016, 11:30 AM

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I think it's time to let all the new players that you can get started with a cue costing $100 or less and become an "A" player with it. As long as you have a good well shaped tip on it and it feels comfortable to you after a few weeks of play...your good to go. There are just too many that think they will never get good unless they can afford a $500+ cue. That's my opinion and I've been an "A" with $55 to $150 cues for many years. Not anymore though...75 YO. Johnnyt
Let's not create an argument that doesn't exist. In what universe are people telling new players that they will never get good unless they can afford a $500 cue??? None.

20 times or more a year, someone asks about low cost cues, with the inevitable "not the arrow, but it's the Native American..." And every time, someone (many someones) point out any number of great-playing cues available today that are under $100 including Schmelke, Dufferin, Players, and McDermott-designed Lucky or Star cues.

But, at the same time, people can spend whatever the hell they want. If they want to spend thousands, that's fine. It's not up to anyone to dictate on what and how they spend their own money.


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02-11-2016, 11:33 AM

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When playing on a bar box, cheap cues will work fine.

Once you graduate to a 9 foot table, you will need something better.

Like instead of an old VW, you need to go to a Cadillac to play on a 9 footer.


Cheap cues do not work good on 9 foot tables.



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Maybe you're talking about ramin cues, but if you shot with my $35 McDermott, you'd throw your post in the toilet.


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Well actually...if you're not a good enough player to understand what I'm talking about,

I guess you'll just never know. A good player knows what I'm saying.


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Well actually...if you're not a good enough player to understand what I'm talking about,

I guess you'll just never know. A good player knows what I'm saying.


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and if I'm an APA 9? Does the world end due to this conundrum ?


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02-11-2016, 11:47 AM

Just about the only cues that make an appreciable dent in my game are ones with slip on tips and those crappy aluminum cues. Yeah, of course I play a little better with my daily players, but not so much so that I'd ever blame a loss on them.

But now let me say that the vast majority...not just some or most, but vast majority...of cues I see have horribly neglected tips on them. Mushrooming all over the place, flat,etc. I just happen to notice stuff like this, and I do look because I'm curious. I'd rather see someone buy a cheaper cue and then invest a couple of bucks into some of shaping/scuffing tools to keep their tips in good condition.
  
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02-11-2016, 11:57 AM

Related to this - I have a Players SP that I keep in a locker at my pool-hall. I want to get a 2nd cue for home/travel.

The second cue would be the same weight, shaft type and tip. However, different brand (Schmelke or a Lucky). Is this a bad idea?
  
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I feel exactly the same way. I have always admired cues where the beauty of the wood did the talking and not much cared for the bling. Therefore when I took an interest in building cues last year that was my goal. Make a solid cue that's pretty and plays well. Plus all the ornaments take a hell of a lot more skill and time to build, thus the expense. I don't think my interest and available time will allow me to get to that level even if I wanted to. Here are some cues I'm building right now that are almost complete. My next batch will have stitch rings and that's about it. I may do some inlays in the future and for sure points, but minimally. Less is more in that area IMO

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I am still looking for my daily player and what I have found is that most starter cues have either some sort of wrap or some gaudy configuration of inlays, points e.t.c. I wholeheartedly endorse your philosophy. Too bad, the bocote's not for sale
  
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