Gluing down bed cloth.
- Thread starter Cueball13
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Kind of weird that the video shows a different installation method vs the staple method.
Also, it shows spray glue being used and then on their site it says this:
"Note for Glue-Down Installations
Simonis cloth can be glued, but only with certain adhesives. Most spray adhesives, WILL NOT hold the cloth in a edge-glue application.
We recommend 3M Fast-Bond10™ for edge-glue glue-down installations. Currently, we are not aware of any other adhesives that will give proper adhesion for a straight edge-glue install."
The OP never mentioned what type of cloth he was planning to use?
TFT
P.S.might as well get BOTH dvds, https://www.seyberts.com/pool-table...nis-rail-bed-cloth-installation-training-dvd/
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I hear that!! Not to mention they show a completely different install pattern as well. I use the same indexing/ stretching method they use for the staple version. Everyone has their own lil twists on it, as do I. I came up with my own way of laying it out and gluing it though. I use RKC250 adhesive. I have also used Parabond m250 and Fastbond 10, they all vary in price , but, all work well.
They should revisit the glue down method that is for sure.
TFT
We went back to the 3m10
Keep in mind, the Simonis installation video shows installation on a bar table. This is NOT considered an "edge-glue" installation, as cloth is folded underneath, and glued on the bottom side of the slate. In this case, you have a slight bit of glue on the top side of the slate, glue on the edge, and glue on the bottom. Along with that, when the slate is placed in the cabinet, the slate rests on the cloth that is glued to the bottom of the slate.
3M-77 is not ideal for edge-glued applications. However, 3M-90 works quite well.
3M-77 is not ideal for edge-glued applications. However, 3M-90 works quite well.
Here is Rev. Zach Jonas with his method. As I mentioned, everyone does it with their own twist, but, this is the best glue down video demo I have seen thus far for Simonis Cloth:
Rails:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4m0beMDt3g&feature=youtu.be
Bedcloth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgKw7KFv12M&feature=youtu.be
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Rails:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4m0beMDt3g&feature=youtu.be
Bedcloth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgKw7KFv12M&feature=youtu.be
TFT
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1-3/8" is a pretty light stretch? It sure made closing the pockets easy though!
Yes, I think it is as well. Like I said, everyone has their own twist on how they do it. I think the methodology is solid and it is the best video out on how to do it. My method is very similar.
TFT
May I ask what the difference is in this appliction between the 3m10 and the 3m fastbond10?
They are the same. Fastbond is quite a bit more money. Around $100 a gallon, RKC about $70 and I think parabond m-250 is the most affordable at like $150 for 5 gallons.
TFT
Do you mind sharing the information with me as well? I was in Illinois when Glen was teaching everybody how to use the gluing method but I don't remember any of that for that was a very long time ago.
Thank you.
I am looking to order some glue, possibly today for a table project and I may need more for when I buy a table for myself. How much would you recommend for 2 tables? This includes gluing new rubber to the rails.
Also, I want to save a little money so not being a pro and this being my own and a friends table, do you feel Parabond m-250 is sufficient?
A quart should be enough, I am not sure if they sell parabond in small amounts like that.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RKC250-Bil...462696?hash=item23c1834be8:g:jR8AAOSwKgZdL63I
TFT
p.s. buy one quart and see how far it goes on the first table.
p.s.s. I would buy the Simonis install dvds and I would stick to staples for the bedcloth if the table has wood slatebackers....
Thanks for the link.
Why stick to staples?
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I know both methods. I use staples when there are wood slatebackers and the gluedown mainly on Diamonds/ Valleys that do not have the backers. I see no quantifiable reason to use one over the other: my outcome is the same with either. Actually the glue down methods is far harder and if you are not familiar, why try such an advanced method if there is no reason to? So the short answer is : staples are far easier for someone who is not experienced with the adhesive method. Just my $0.02 
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