Fargorate and "Bar Bangers"
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Atm 17 players have FR 800 or higher. As for FR 700 and Eurotour its more like 80th place
Other than that i would say it is accurate 
The real good bar table players seem to dislike it, in a handicap/tournament situations they have to give up too many games....one player says Fargo knocks their action. Me, I got caught up in the ''known ability'' grouping/dialogue during my prime. That was the norm before Fargo. Like anything tho, it will take time to work it self out. What I don't see, is if your getting worse as you get older that does NOT seem to apply. What's up with that?
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So what I’ve noticed with Fargo and APA is the following:
9ball
SL9 - Fargo 600+
SL7/8 - Fargo 550-600
SL6 - Fargo 500-550
SL5 - Fargo 400-500
SL4 - Fargo ~300-400
8ball
SL7 - Fargo 550+
SL6 - Fargo 500-550
SL5 - Fargo 400-500
SL4 - Fargo ~300-400
I only compared APA as it’s the most common and easiest comparison to use. Additionally the top SL has a huge margin. I’ve seen a Fargo 730 and 705 rated a SL9 as well as a Fargo 610. 8 ball is even crazier as I’ve seen a Fargo 550, Fargo 610, and Fargo 705 all rated as SL7. Getting back to the question though I think once you approach the SL4/Fargo ~400 you are considered more serious about the game. Pretty spot on with the range Fargo gives you.
9ball
SL9 - Fargo 600+
SL7/8 - Fargo 550-600
SL6 - Fargo 500-550
SL5 - Fargo 400-500
SL4 - Fargo ~300-400
8ball
SL7 - Fargo 550+
SL6 - Fargo 500-550
SL5 - Fargo 400-500
SL4 - Fargo ~300-400
I only compared APA as it’s the most common and easiest comparison to use. Additionally the top SL has a huge margin. I’ve seen a Fargo 730 and 705 rated a SL9 as well as a Fargo 610. 8 ball is even crazier as I’ve seen a Fargo 550, Fargo 610, and Fargo 705 all rated as SL7. Getting back to the question though I think once you approach the SL4/Fargo ~400 you are considered more serious about the game. Pretty spot on with the range Fargo gives you.
The 300 description is interesting. I guess we play in different leagues. Our lowest rated player is in the 300’s, highest is 696. Average player in our league is definitely over 500.
This is worrisome. Since I am C/D social bar player, I am guessing my FR is lower than my IQ
Banger? IMO, a banger is someone that knows very little about the games. They have a terrible, choppy stroke, no PSR, they jerk back/forth in backswing transition, raise up on shots whole 9 ........ but are always the first to say "I'm a good player"...
I've known 4s and 5s that I would consider "not bangers", then again, I know some 6s and 7s that "i" consider bangers.
I don't like to use Fargo numbers to determine such things unless they have a certain robustness, as it can be inaccurate until the robustness is there.
JC
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Have you looked at the roster of your league or are you making an estimate due to a lot of unestablished ratings?
The reason I ask is we have a smallish BCA league here and about 20% of the players are 500 or above and we have been using LMS for a couple years so most everyone is established. 8 out of ten are below 500. Many in the high 400s.
I played in a larger league nearby a couple of years with about 400 players and their situation is about the same as here.
JC
We have four in-house divisions with different team caps.
Tuesday 1600 - average rating 338
Tuesday 1800 - average rating 410
Thursday 2000 - average rating 428
Thursday 2200 - average rating 522
Easy-e is in a pretty populated area. Perhaps his division has a reputation for being where "the player's" go. Here is the game win% for a number of players in our 1600 and 2200 divisions. You can get an idea what kind of win% a particular player can expect in each division.
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Mike how about combining all the players in the four in house divisions into one data pool. What percentage of them are over 500? Is it more than the 20% we have in our division?
In our small league we just finished a ten ball session. Our top player is only a 611 here and as I stated 20% are over 500. We only have three players over 550. So in this 10 ball session I took every player within 10 points of 450 and calculated their winning percentage and they won 53.8% of their games of rotation with a sampling of 730 games played. I'm guessing that our small league is not unusually weak overall and this may be about what you would expect in a larger sample. That is that a 450 fargo player will win about half their games against a random field from the BCA pool league world.
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