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Balls said:
Thanks, well what I'm looking for...

In 14:1, is it harder to run balls as the table size gets smaller or larger in his opinion?

I'll add a second question too. Do you think the table size gave him an advantage?
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The two runs that far apart genuinely can't be compared. Grant a slight edge to Willie for table size. Then you have to factor in almost certainly poorer climate control if the place Willie was in even had any. While john used a better stick I don't think Willie was handicapped there as well as he knew his own stick.

Balls were a big difference. Almost certainly much higher humidity while Willie was making his run and the balls were certainly inferior. Name every characteristic that would define a ball's quality and the set john used would be better in every one I can think of. The balls weren't cleaned as often for Willie's run although I think it was mentioned he used his own balls and they were clean to start with.

Biggest difference, it was a one shot that session deal for Willie. Had he missed he wouldn't have tried again. After he filled his obligation all of this extra was purely a gift. While john didn't want to start over he did know if he missed without getting the record he would just start over.

One thing john did sometimes in other sessions, If he missed pretty early in a rack he would just start the new count from there without reracking. Best I recall this wasn't the first rack of the day. Did he start this run with a full rack and a break ball or did he start with the balls already broken from an earlier run? Pool players realize it only makes less than fifteen balls difference but record counters at somewhere like the Guinness people may see things differently. While it is called an exhibition run, it is also said most of the run took place before the hall opened. I can't see how something can be an exhibition with no spectators.

We shall see. john may come out smelling like a rose, he may come out smelling like a poopy diaper! Either way he is giving us plenty of entertainment for free admission.

Hu
 
trentfromtoledo

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Ok, I might have made ONE post on this. HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU GUYS STILL FEEDING THIS MONSTER???

Truth of the matter is this:

Champs Weigh In
Former straight pool champions react to news of John Schmidt's 626

Mike Sigel
World 14.1 Champion 1979, '81, '85

It's the most amazing feat I've ever heard. My high run was 339. Look at all the other runs he had in the 300s and 400s. How hard is what he did? He's the only one that's ever done it. You have to have the ability and you have to get a shot after 44 consecutive break shots. It's hard to believe. To concentrate that long and get the opportunity in 44 racks is amazing. As for criticism, I don't think this should be questioned at all. Give him the credit. The reality is that nobody else has even come close to that. Even if straight pool was the game today and all the top players were playing it all the time, I still don't think this number would be beat. That's how incredible it is.

Thorsten Hohmann
World 14.1 Champion 2006
World Tournament of 14.1
Champion 2011, '13, '15, '18

For starters, I have to give John credit for such a pubic attempt, putting the pressure on himself by putting his attempts on social media. It was a mission. And for him to put up so many high runs over that time is pretty amazing. And to get to 626 is incredible. I don't have an opinion on people's discussion of its merit. Him doing it is amazing. I don't care about who recognizes it.

Nick Varner
World 14.1 Champion 1980, '86

I don't think anybody has tried that hard before. This was John's goal and he accomplished it. My high run is 337. It's a remarkable feat to break Mosconi's record after all these years, and to break it on a 9-foot table is even better. I think this run should be accepted for what it is. It's not a game situation in either case. What's even more amazing to me is that he ran 100 more balls after he broke the record. Concentration is such a big part of running balls in straight pool and it would have been hard for me not to stop and celebrate after hitting 527.

Darren Appleton
World Tournament of 14.1 Champion 2014

To me, it's one of the greatest feats of all time in our sport. It's an incredible achievement. I didn't think he'd make it after breaking down on 400 a few times. The pressure once he got to 450 would be too much for anyone. But it was a lifelong ambition for him and his determination was amazing. He deserved it more than any other players. Negativity on social media has been disappointing, but John has the respect for this achievement from his fellow professionals because we all know what a mammoth effort it was and how difficult this really is.
 
lfigueroa

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trentfromtoledo said:
Ok, I might have made ONE post on this. HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU GUYS STILL FEEDING THIS MONSTER???

Truth of the matter is this:

Champs Weigh In
Former straight pool champions react to news of John Schmidt's 626

Mike Sigel
World 14.1 Champion 1979, '81, '85

It's the most amazing feat I've ever heard. My high run was 339. Look at all the other runs he had in the 300s and 400s. How hard is what he did? He's the only one that's ever done it. You have to have the ability and you have to get a shot after 44 consecutive break shots. It's hard to believe. To concentrate that long and get the opportunity in 44 racks is amazing. As for criticism, I don't think this should be questioned at all. Give him the credit. The reality is that nobody else has even come close to that. Even if straight pool was the game today and all the top players were playing it all the time, I still don't think this number would be beat. That's how incredible it is.

Thorsten Hohmann
World 14.1 Champion 2006
World Tournament of 14.1
Champion 2011, '13, '15, '18

For starters, I have to give John credit for such a pubic attempt, putting the pressure on himself by putting his attempts on social media. It was a mission. And for him to put up so many high runs over that time is pretty amazing. And to get to 626 is incredible. I don't have an opinion on people's discussion of its merit. Him doing it is amazing. I don't care about who recognizes it.

Nick Varner
World 14.1 Champion 1980, '86

I don't think anybody has tried that hard before. This was John's goal and he accomplished it. My high run is 337. It's a remarkable feat to break Mosconi's record after all these years, and to break it on a 9-foot table is even better. I think this run should be accepted for what it is. It's not a game situation in either case. What's even more amazing to me is that he ran 100 more balls after he broke the record. Concentration is such a big part of running balls in straight pool and it would have been hard for me not to stop and celebrate after hitting 527.

Darren Appleton
World Tournament of 14.1 Champion 2014

To me, it's one of the greatest feats of all time in our sport. It's an incredible achievement. I didn't think he'd make it after breaking down on 400 a few times. The pressure once he got to 450 would be too much for anyone. But it was a lifelong ambition for him and his determination was amazing. He deserved it more than any other players. Negativity on social media has been disappointing, but John has the respect for this achievement from his fellow professionals because we all know what a mammoth effort it was and how difficult this really is.
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Truth of the matter is: no one has seen the run.

Lou Figueroa
where’s the video?
 
trentfromtoledo

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lfigueroa said:
Truth of the matter is: no one has seen the run.

Lou Figueroa
where’s the video?
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That is actually a complete and total lie. There are plenty of people that have already. Just because you have not(no offense because you are a good member on here), but, that don't mean anything.

Last response, not getting drawn into this: BECAUSE IT IS RETARDED. Already said to much. :thumbup:

Trent from Toledo
 
sjm

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Looks like I posted this in the wrong thread.

I'm happy for John. The positive feedback he's gotten here from established legends of the straight pool discipline will mean the world to him.

Most of us on this forum have, at some point in our lives, demonstrated excellence at something. For some of us, it's in pool, for some of us it's in our trade or profession, for some of us it's in our hobbies or private lives. Each of us, consequently, knows how much it means to us when those most able to appreciate what it takes to attain such achievements nod with sustained approval.

Well done, John. The respect of your peers means everything!
 
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trentfromtoledo said:
That is actually a complete and total lie. There are plenty of people that have already. Just because you have not(no offense because you are a good member on here), but, that don't mean anything.

Last response, not getting drawn into this: BECAUSE IT IS RETARDED. Already said to much. :thumbup:

Trent from Toledo
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Hey, you got yourself into this, and if you are ok with it that's great. Not everybody is as willing as you to blindly accept this as you are. There is no need to get all up in arms with those of us that don't agree with you. This response was not directed towards you, but since you take stock in it.

here is my response to what you posted in this thread.

Thorsten Hohmann - a Candian
I really wish this person was here contributing and telling stories.
Darren Appleton - a Brit
I really should look into him more.

This is an American Legend topic. I have no idea why they feel they can chime in except to say congrats.

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On the order of are there "Russians" messing with domestic policy, here you go.
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Nick Varner
"I think this run should be accepted for what it is. It's not a game situation in either case."

I don't think he is agreeing as you want. Translated it means, it is "John's best-ever high run" or whatever but not related or linked to Mosconi. If he wants to beat Mosconi, he needs to do it the same way, as the end of a game and no bank shots.

Mike Sigel
Put me down as a fan. I just wish when they put a mic on him the would actually let us listen to what he is saying.

"I don't think this should be questioned at all. Give him the credit."

No this isn't something that should be questioned. The evidence should be so clear that there is no room to question any aspect. But there is no tangible public evidence to support his claim that he, in fact, ran 626 balls with strict adherence to the rules except a statement from the BCA. This isn't the Miss whatever title and we are going to "Give" it sally because she tries so hard to keep the weight off. This is something earned by doing something amazing. Not having a good day on your practice table under a lot of sketchy conditions.

If you want the credit for beating Mosconi, then you need to beat him on his own turf, 1 game, 1 chance, one long run until you miss, with a ref, a normal rack, right side of the table, Maple cue, Masters, same table dimensions, no 5 hour boost, on a table used by the public, with the same kind of felt, balls, and a licensed attorney with a Notary to make it all nice and legal just like happened to the Legend. Hec you might as well drive there that day and sleep in your car for a while before you start at 8:00 before 50 or so near-strangers that have assembled in advanced who are having a few "pops" and waiting to see the famous you play pool.

Good luck with that.

Bottom line, you can't "GIVE HIM" an achievement he didn't earn.
 
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jrctherake

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AtLarge said:
44 full racks of 14 plus 10 before the miss in the 45th rack = 626.
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I don't see why it matters if he started with bih or just breaking the rack open from behind the line and then start.

Either way he had to break 44 times and not scratch, have a shot on at least one ball and have an insurance ball on all 600+ shots.

I'm a 14.1 player and I'm not a bad player for an amateur and I do not understand all the questions about the validity etc...etc.

I guess it boils down to, haters gonna hate.

In the light of all of this, the true colors of some people are showing.

All the naysayers remind me of the saying:

Pool will not build character but, it will expose character or the lack of.

Jeff
 
Tony_in_MD

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Yes indeed. True character is really showing in this thread.

jrctherake said:
I don't see why it matters if he started with bih or just breaking the rack open from behind the line and then start.

Either way he had to break 44 times and not scratch, have a shot on at least one ball and have an insurance ball on all 600+ shots.

I'm a 14.1 player and I'm not a bad player for an amateur and I do not understand all the questions about the validity etc...etc.

I guess it boils down to, haters gonna hate.

In the light of all of this, the true colors of some people are showing.

All the naysayers remind me of the saying:

Pool will not build character but, it will expose character or the lack of.

Jeff
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Icon of Sin

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lfigueroa said:
Truth of the matter is: no one has seen the run.

Lou Figueroa
where’s the video?
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That's not the truth at all. People witnessed it in person and members of the BCA have seen and verified the video.

Like I said, I don't doubt the run happened at all. I think it's unreal that the video has yet to be released though. That thing should have been put online days after it happened.
 
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jrctherake said:
Either way he had to break 44 times and not scratch, have a shot on at least one ball and have an insurance ball on all 600+ shots.
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As a complete hack, especially in 14.1... this stat is absolutely insane. 44 successful break shots making the break ball and busting the rack to get a shot.
 
lfigueroa

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JazzyJeff87 said:
I can answer for Lou as I taught him everything he knows about life and pool respectively. We go way back and I know how he opines. The 8’ is the easiest table of all standard sizes. It’s large enough to avoid the congestion pitfalls of a 7’ and short enough that your long shots aren’t too long. An oversized 8 is easier than a 9, possibly slightly more difficult than an 8.

Oh...and he wants to see the unedited video before
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Thank you.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa

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trentfromtoledo said:
That is actually a complete and total lie. There are plenty of people that have already. Just because you have not(no offense because you are a good member on here), but, that don't mean anything.

Last response, not getting drawn into this: BECAUSE IT IS RETARDED. Already said to much. :thumbup:

Trent from Toledo
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I was referring the the guys reacting to the run.

Has any one of them seen it? I was questioning that because to the best of our knowledge no video has been released yet.

Lou Figueroa
 
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erhino41

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trentfromtoledo said:
Ok, I might have made ONE post on this. HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU GUYS STILL FEEDING THIS MONSTER???



Truth of the matter is this:



Champs Weigh In

Former straight pool champions react to news of John Schmidt's 626



Mike Sigel

World 14.1 Champion 1979, '81, '85



It's the most amazing feat I've ever heard. My high run was 339. Look at all the other runs he had in the 300s and 400s. How hard is what he did? He's the only one that's ever done it. You have to have the ability and you have to get a shot after 44 consecutive break shots. It's hard to believe. To concentrate that long and get the opportunity in 44 racks is amazing. As for criticism, I don't think this should be questioned at all. Give him the credit. The reality is that nobody else has even come close to that. Even if straight pool was the game today and all the top players were playing it all the time, I still don't think this number would be beat. That's how incredible it is.



Thorsten Hohmann

World 14.1 Champion 2006

World Tournament of 14.1

Champion 2011, '13, '15, '18



For starters, I have to give John credit for such a pubic attempt, putting the pressure on himself by putting his attempts on social media. It was a mission. And for him to put up so many high runs over that time is pretty amazing. And to get to 626 is incredible. I don't have an opinion on people's discussion of its merit. Him doing it is amazing. I don't care about who recognizes it.



Nick Varner

World 14.1 Champion 1980, '86



I don't think anybody has tried that hard before. This was John's goal and he accomplished it. My high run is 337. It's a remarkable feat to break Mosconi's record after all these years, and to break it on a 9-foot table is even better. I think this run should be accepted for what it is. It's not a game situation in either case. What's even more amazing to me is that he ran 100 more balls after he broke the record. Concentration is such a big part of running balls in straight pool and it would have been hard for me not to stop and celebrate after hitting 527.



Darren Appleton

World Tournament of 14.1 Champion 2014



To me, it's one of the greatest feats of all time in our sport. It's an incredible achievement. I didn't think he'd make it after breaking down on 400 a few times. The pressure once he got to 450 would be too much for anyone. But it was a lifelong ambition for him and his determination was amazing. He deserved it more than any other players. Negativity on social media has been disappointing, but John has the respect for this achievement from his fellow professionals because we all know what a mammoth effort it was and how difficult this really is.
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What do those guys know? If they knew anything they'd be on here schooling all of us with their infinite wisdom. Their obviously part of the conspiracy, duh!

These guys aren't even going to believe the video when it finally comes out. They outright know that they are absolutely entitled to unfettered access to the complete unedited video, and anything less is merely a ruse designed to cover up the fact that it never really happened. Don't worry though, they will have their people examine it frame by frame. And if this people say it's legit? They'll just assume the conspiracy runs deeper than they thought.

They also need a forensic examination of the towel john used to wipe the balls with for any trace of any substance that may have been used to help in this farce.

Then they need a blood test to rule out elevated levels of vitamin b-12 and guarana, because that's all it really takes to do it, well assuming it really happened.

And finally, witnesses will need to be interrogated. I bet they won't hold on to this absolutely abhorrent attack on the American dream when they run a couple volts through them.



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Tony_in_MD

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Maybe they can get Nadler on the job?

:grin:

erhino41 said:
What do those guys know? If they knew anything they'd be on here schooling all of us with their infinite wisdom. Their obviously part of the conspiracy, duh!

These guys aren't even going to believe the video when it finally comes out. They outright know that they are absolutely entitled to unfettered access to the complete unedited video, and anything less is merely a ruse designed to cover up the fact that it never really happened. Don't worry though, they will have their people examine it frame by frame. And if this people say it's legit? They'll just assume the conspiracy runs deeper than they thought.

They also need a forensic examination of the towel john used to wipe the balls with for any trace of any substance that may have been used to help in this farce.

Then they need a blood test to rule out elevated levels of vitamin b-12 and guarana, because that's all it really takes to do it, well assuming it really happened.

And finally, witnesses will need to be interrogated. I bet they won't hold on to this absolutely abhorrent attack on the American dream when they run a couple volts through them.



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Balls

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American dream

erhino41 said:
What do those guys know? If they knew anything they'd be on here schooling all of us with their infinite wisdom. Their obviously part of the conspiracy, duh!

These guys aren't even going to believe the video when it finally comes out. They outright know that they are absolutely entitled to unfettered access to the complete unedited video, and anything less is merely a ruse designed to cover up the fact that it never really happened. Don't worry though, they will have their people examine it frame by frame. And if this people say it's legit? They'll just assume the conspiracy runs deeper than they thought.

They also need a forensic examination of the towel john used to wipe the balls with for any trace of any substance that may have been used to help in this farce.

Then they need a blood test to rule out elevated levels of vitamin b-12 and guarana, because that's all it really takes to do it, well assuming it really happened.

And finally, witnesses will need to be interrogated. I bet they won't hold on to this absolutely abhorrent attack on the American dream when they run a couple volts through them.



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"American dream"

Where are you from?
 
Straightpool_99

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Icon of Sin said:
As a complete hack, especially in 14.1... this stat is absolutely insane. 44 successful break shots making the break ball and busting the rack to get a shot.
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I watched one of his longest runs, I forget exactly what the number was. He was making, razor cuts, combinations and all kinds of Extreme shots to keep the run going. Quite honestly, I've never seen such consistent, crazy shotmaking in all my life, and doubt I'll ever see it again. I mean, it's not exactly my kind of straightpool, but it was very entertaining and impressive. JS is extraordinarily talented in the shotmaking Department, maybe the best pure shotmaker ever and his concentration is superhuman.

I must say I'm rather puzzled by the long delay in the videos release. I get it, he needs to add some commentary etc, but I'm guessing it's all single camera, so it's not exactly rocket science? When such a simple task takes such an extraordinary long time, it's no Wonder some People start speculating that there may be some kind of problem with the video. Maybe there is a technical glitch of some sort. I don't really doubt he could and did do it, after watching that crazy 400+ run With the Circus shots in every rack.

Given the audience I think he'd be better off putting it on Vimeo or something and charge a small amount, rather than trying to put together a "Premium" disk of some kind, but hopefully we'll all find out what is plans are soon.
 
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