What do you think "extending the follow-through" does for you??
Neil, I'm not an instructor but I have been playing since I was 13 yrs. old. 46 yrs. ago my father taught me how to draw the ball. I play in Southern La. & have found that on different days it takes a different stroke. I used to do it with a more wristy pop stroke. I purchased a couple of LD shafts this year & found that I had to employ the follow thru stroke Mr. Wiley is advocating in order to get the same results. Playing with them over time I have adapted a bit of a hybrid. A wristy pop stroke but with a bit more of a foward thru component to it but not a full long follow thru. I can do it both ways but find I have more control with the wrist pop. I tend to over do it with the full follow thru version.
I hope this helps if you were looking for help. I too am interested in hearing Mr. Wiley's take on the differences. I would also like to hear his take on the piston vs the pendulum stroke & whether they should pivot from the elbow or the shoulder, as well as, what grip is better for each stroke in his opinion.
Sincerely,
Rick
PS Sorry if I am off base with this reply. I know you were asking Mr. Wiley, certainly not me.
What do you think "extending the follow-through" does for you??
im not an instructor
but here is my 1 1/2 cents worth
extending the follow thru may be a way to be sure you are accelarting thru contact
people who poke and snap back have to be deaccelerating on contact since they are getting ready to stop and go backwards
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what do you think??
I don't want to say anything until I see what CJ has to say about it. After that, I will answer your question. There's a reason I am waiting for his reply. He is on the forums, so maybe he will answer.??
What do you think "extending the follow-through" does for you??
Extending the follow through amplifies English {high, draw and especially left and right English}....there's one shot that the legendary pool instructor Hal Mix set up for me demonstrated how exaggerated your English was with an extended follow through (I'll show that one on my new video series on AzBilliards if anyone wants me to)....on the other hand you will have some accuracy issues, so, like in my example if you aren't an advanced player you will want to limit these shots to when the cue ball is close to the object ball. Also, the series "Cue Tips" was directed at beginner players that needed to follow through more to fix "jumping up" issues. imho
Thanks for answering. Now, can you explain to me how the follow through can amplify anything when the cb is already gone?
Oh I get it 'cue' tips, as in how to be a good Cueist. Not the leather on the end of the stick.
So, do you feel that a pure pendulum stroke cannot accomplish the same thing??
I've never seen a "pure pendulum stroke"....can you give me an example of someone that has one?
I've never seen a "pure pendulum stroke"....can you give me an example of someone that has one?
uh...are you serious? Many people do, including myself. You do realize that it simply means not dropping your elbow, don't you??
Mr. Wiley,
It is so refreshing to 'hear' your pure honesty.
I would love for you to espound on the stroke: piston vs pendulum vs hybrid
The pivot point: shoulder vs elbow vs hybrid
Wrist action: yes, no, hybrid
What grip for each? benefits vs disadvantages of each for each 'stroke'
I know it is alot & fairly complex. Probably too much for just text.
Again, I love your pure honesty & lack of posturing.
Please... please, do not indulge me if it will in any way effect your playing.
Do not paralyze yourself by analysis.
I do understand. One does not have to know. One simply has to get out of the way.
Thanks in advance & Best Wishes,
Rick
PS Again, please do not harm yourself in any way attempting to respond. Your stroke is yours & mine is mine.
I'm not an instructor.
One can pivot at the shoulder & the elbow would move slightly back & forward, as well as, up & down, slightly.
It seems that you have been taught (told) that the elbow IS the pivot point of a pendulum stroke. It does not have to be & I for one do not use a PURE pendulim stroke.
PS I shoot very well with a hybrid pendulum / piston stroke with wrist action. There is more than one way to skin a cat & more than one way to play very good pool. Lee Trevino's golf swing is not Billy Casper's golf swing.
No offense meant. Just offering 'food' for thought.