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Video: Cowboy Jimmy Moore aiming system? - 12-16-2019, 09:12 AM

At 9:06 in this video, you can see a pretty clear aiming method in play. Aside from the fact the man was a HOF player who had hit millions of balls into the center of the pocket, does anyone have any insights into how Moore approached aiming?

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12-16-2019, 09:47 AM

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At 9:06 in this video, you can see a pretty clear aiming method in play. Aside from the fact the man was a HOF player who had hit millions of balls into the center of the pocket, does anyone have any insights into how Moore approached aiming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2wCC9EXIc
He lines up with his tip at extreme left on the CB, then pivots to wherever he wants to hit it on the shot stroke. I think that's how I've heard the system called "90/90" described.

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12-16-2019, 10:03 AM

Bad habit but talent made up for it.


  
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12-16-2019, 10:06 AM

You can see him do the same thing in the previous shot, which is an overhead, so it isn't like he only did it one time.

FWIW, pivoting to the desired contact point just as you start to bring the cue forward seems like a bad idea unless you've devoted your life to playing the game. Then you can do whatever you want. Of course I could be wrong.
  
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12-16-2019, 10:34 AM

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12-16-2019, 10:43 AM

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12-16-2019, 11:39 AM

It doesn't look like an aiming system. On every shot he addresses the cb with his tip low and left, then when he strokes it he actually hits the cb where he needs to hit it. It's a weird quirk, but not 90/90, not some mysterious aiming technique.

A lot of players address the cb with their cue out of the way for an unobstructed view of the aim line. If you watch a few games in this match you'll notice he always addresses low left on the cb, regardless of whether it's a right or left cut or straight in. Different strokes for different folks. Some people use the cue to help visualize a line of aim, while others keep the cue out of the way while visualizing the line.


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12-16-2019, 11:46 AM

https://youtu.be/bY2wCC9EXIc?t=557
And he also had a slip stroke .


That is a lot of maintenance to be able to shoot straight .


  
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12-16-2019, 02:22 PM

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At 9:06 in this video, you can see a pretty clear aiming method in play. Aside from the fact the man was a HOF player who had hit millions of balls into the center of the pocket, does anyone have any insights into how Moore approached aiming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2wCC9EXIc
Really not a secret. It's the CTE version that I learned initially although not from him. This will be the unpopular answer here but also the correct answer. I know people who actually learned it from him.
  
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12-16-2019, 04:00 PM

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Really not a secret. It's the CTE version that I learned initially although not from him. This will be the unpopular answer here but also the correct answer. I know people who actually learned it from him.
Really? There is/was a CTE method where EVERY pivot starts from bottom left? I doubt that. I watched the entire match. He always starts off with the tip low left on the cb, regardless of left or right cut or straight in shots. And he doesn't "pivot" to center and shoot. He does the little low left bit (like the club head waggle a good golfer does before swinging the club), then he strokes the shot, guiding the tip to wherever on the cb he intends to strike it.


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12-16-2019, 04:38 PM

Secret aiming systems are like the Brooklin Bridge, sucker will buy. IMHO
  
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12-16-2019, 06:07 PM

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Really? There is/was a CTE method where EVERY pivot starts from bottom left? I doubt that. I watched the entire match. He always starts off with the tip low left on the cb, regardless of left or right cut or straight in shots. And he doesn't "pivot" to center and shoot. He does the little low left bit (like the club head waggle a good golfer does before swinging the club), then he strokes the shot, guiding the tip to wherever on the cb he intends to strike it.
I agree. No CTE. There is a CTE variation where you pivot from outside edge to center(either direction) on every shot. http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offs...ng-systems-395 It works but i doubt CJM was using it.
  
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12-16-2019, 07:20 PM

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Really? There is/was a CTE method where EVERY pivot starts from bottom left? I doubt that. I watched the entire match. He always starts off with the tip low left on the cb, regardless of left or right cut or straight in shots. And he doesn't "pivot" to center and shoot. He does the little low left bit (like the club head waggle a good golfer does before swinging the club), then he strokes the shot, guiding the tip to wherever on the cb he intends to strike it.
Yes, it's called the half ball pivot. There was a group in the old days that all used it. Jimmy Moore, Greanleaf, Fez Cassum i believe, and of course Hal . Really not worth discussing at this point as it's been discussed numerous times. Believe what you want to believe.
  
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12-16-2019, 09:28 PM

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Yes, it's called the half ball pivot. There was a group in the old days that all used it. Jimmy Moore, Greanleaf, Fez Cassum i believe, and of course Hal . Really not worth discussing at this point as it's been discussed numerous times. Believe what you want to believe.
I believe what you are referring to involved left and right sided 1/2 ball pivots, not one sided for every shot. Lol. Moore, at least in this match, is not pivoting. He is simply cueing low left prior to striking the cb everytime, like a golfer that's created a little waggle or club head grounding in the PSR just before swinging at the ball.

But you are correct in saying it's not worth discussing, especially if you insist on trying to convince anyone that Jimmy Moore is using half ball pivot aiming via the left side of the cb on every single shot...right cuts, left cuts, straight ins, etc.... There is no pivot system that operates like that. It's called rote, just seeing the shot and feeling/knowing where to strike the cb in order to make it happen. Many players cue very low center on the cb before stroking the shot, and it doesn't mean they're using some mysterious vertical pivot aiming method.


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12-16-2019, 10:07 PM

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I believe what you are referring to involved left and right sided 1/2 ball pivots, not one sided for every shot. Lol. Moore, at least in this match, is not pivoting. He is simply cueing low left prior to striking the cb everytime, like a golfer that's created a little waggle or club head grounding in the PSR just before swinging at the ball.

But you are correct in saying it's not worth discussing, especially if you insist on trying to convince anyone that Jimmy Moore is using half ball pivot aiming via the left side of the cb on every single shot...right cuts, left cuts, straight ins, etc.... There is no pivot system that operates like that. It's called rote, just seeing the shot and feeling/knowing where to strike the cb in order to make it happen. Many players cue very low center on the cb before stroking the shot, and it doesn't mean they're using some mysterious vertical pivot aiming method.
I agree with you, he just lines up like that. I know a few players that line up off center but apply what ever is neccessary on the final stroke.


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