Beginning Player Working On CTE

bdam123 said:

ehhh wrong. Whats wrong with you guys? This has to be the lamest shit I've ever encountered on a forum.

To dispel all these stupid claims about an alias, go to The Gear Page, Home Recording, The Acoustic Guitar Forum, or TDPRI and search my username. I'm a musician and have been posting on forums for the past ten years. Since you're so keen on recognizing writing styles, you'll find that it is indeed me on all those forums.

Now that thats out of the way, can we please go back to the original discussion?

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Dan White said:

It's not ironic. It is the same question that every confused user of CTE asks themselves. Even Stan admitted that he made some mistakes and hasn't explained things clearly and has also made it crystal clear the he intends to keep new users like dam in the dark until they spend another $70 to get his book in 2018, or maybe 2019, 2020?

Brian made some mistakes in his first edition of Poolology. He made corrections and set it right at his cost. Stan makes people buy DVD1, DVD2 and now his upcoming massive book to get the right information. Makes you wonder.

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bdam123 said:

ehhh wrong. Whats wrong with you guys? This has to be the lamest shit I've ever encountered on a forum.

To dispel all these stupid claims about an alias, go to The Gear Page, Home Recording, The Acoustic Guitar Forum, or TDPRI and search my username. I'm a musician and have been posting on forums for the past ten years. Since you're so keen on recognizing writing styles, you'll find that it is indeed me on all those forums.

Now that thats out of the way, can we please go back to the original discussion?

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bdam123 said:

ehhh wrong. Whats wrong with you guys? This has to be the lamest shit I've ever encountered on a forum.

To dispel all these stupid claims about an alias, go to The Gear Page, Home Recording, The Acoustic Guitar Forum, or TDPRI and search my username. I'm a musician and have been posting on forums for the past ten years. Since you're so keen on recognizing writing styles, you'll find that it is indeed me on all those forums.

Now that thats out of the way, can we please go back to the original discussion?

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Dan White said:

You stepped on a hornet's nest when you posted your question. It is the same one that many of us ask. The various perceptions work for specific angles but there are gaps between those angles where the system just doesn't work. This is the view held by most of the instructors and physics guys in the forum. Most have moved on.

The CTE users claim there is some mysterious (Stan's word) phenomenon that happens with CTE where those gaps are filled in if you "just give it enough time." That seems to be the common thread that all CTE users say. You have to work hard at it and after time it will all just click. Many of us believe that what "clicks" is that the brain figures out how to fudge things so that you are filling in those gaps by changing your body position or with aiming swoops or whatnot while your conscious mind isn't even aware of it. The problem is that players like you and me see that if you follow the instructions, it doesn't matter if you do it 3 times or 3000 times, nothing changes.

Then you get the recommendation, "Just forget everything you know about playing pool, throw away your preconceptions and just let it happen." My theory is that this is a way to allow your subconscious mind to take over and fool yourself into believing that it is working. Many people claim they are making more balls than before. Well, if you do any set of steps consistently and pay enough attention, you will play better not matter what method it is.

Stan has said that "all will be explained" in his book. The mystery will be revealed, but you are going to have to wait probably until 2018 to get the real goods. There are some rabid CTE supporters here who never believe me, but I would be very happy for Stan if he could, in fact, show how to get more than one result from the same visuals. I assume you've seen Stan's video where he gets 5 different angles across the table from the same CTE/A perception.

Bottom line, you are not going to get the answer you are looking for. Don't bother engaging the CTE people here because it will only result in insults and become a waste of time. I don't engage them anymore.

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bdam123 said:

ehhh wrong. Whats wrong with you guys? This has to be the lamest shit I've ever encountered on a forum.

To dispel all these stupid claims about an alias, go to The Gear Page, Home Recording, The Acoustic Guitar Forum, or TDPRI and search my username. I'm a musician and have been posting on forums for the past ten years. Since you're so keen on recognizing writing styles, you'll find that it is indeed me on all those forums.

Now that thats out of the way, can we please go back to the original discussion?

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SpiderWebComm said:

Are you a member in Brian's band? (the Poolology dude) Or do you know each other through the guitar forum?

I learned CTE straight from Hal Houle before Stan ever got involved. Like most everyone else, my initial lessons were over the phone numerous times before I had the opportunity to link up with him in person after he moved to PA and before he passed away.

The very first time we were on the phone he had me setting up to the balls to see and do things I had never done before or knew existed. It made no sense.
What made even less sense was how OB balls were going into pockets over and over without ever aiming directly at a spot or portion of it like I'd been doing for years.

And the icing on the cake was a manual pivot. How could this be while aiming the same way for multiple cut angles? Stan has refined it to be without a manual pivot.

You posted the following: "And for your information, I AM using the system (or at least I'm trying to) I've been watching the DVDs most nights for 3-4 weeks and have gotten to the table tow try it out, at this point, three times.
I don't see how, even if I've spent 10 years with it, I would be able to explain how two identical shots can result in two different angles.

Everyone goes through it. It makes no sense. The only thing you should be happy about right now is balls are going in. When you learn more you'll figure it out. But you said you've only used it 3 times on the table. Are different cut angles going in or are you missing? Basically you have just been born and come out of the womb
with CTE. 3 times on the table is like not even having taken your first steps walking yet.

The way YOU don't understand how CTE works by setting up to a shot the same way for different cut angles is the same way I don't understand how Jimi Hendrix, Slash, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton or any great guitar player could play the guitar the way they do and duplicate each note identically (or close to identically) each time they performed it. IMPOSSIBLE! (in my mind) How the **CK can they do that?! What does it take in memory and physical skills?


If it bothers you so much, contact the other musician in here and get involved with Poolology.
Maybe it will suit you better or the two of you can get together and jam or become part of the band.

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Dan White said:

This is the view held by most of the instructors and physics guys in the forum.

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Dan White said:

You stepped on a hornet's nest when you posted your question. It is the same one that many of us ask. The various perceptions work for specific angles but there are gaps between those angles where the system just doesn't work. This is the view held by most of the instructors and physics guys in the forum. Most have moved on.

The CTE users claim there is some mysterious (Stan's word) phenomenon that happens with CTE where those gaps are filled in if you "just give it enough time." That seems to be the common thread that all CTE users say. You have to work hard at it and after time it will all just click. Many of us believe that what "clicks" is that the brain figures out how to fudge things so that you are filling in those gaps by changing your body position or with aiming swoops or whatnot while your conscious mind isn't even aware of it. The problem is that players like you and me see that if you follow the instructions, it doesn't matter if you do it 3 times or 3000 times, nothing changes.

Then you get the recommendation, "Just forget everything you know about playing pool, throw away your preconceptions and just let it happen." My theory is that this is a way to allow your subconscious mind to take over and fool yourself into believing that it is working. Many people claim they are making more balls than before. Well, if you do any set of steps consistently and pay enough attention, you will play better not matter what method it is.

Stan has said that "all will be explained" in his book. The mystery will be revealed, but you are going to have to wait probably until 2018 to get the real goods. There are some rabid CTE supporters here who never believe me, but I would be very happy for Stan if he could, in fact, show how to get more than one result from the same visuals. I assume you've seen Stan's video where he gets 5 different angles across the table from the same CTE/A perception.

Bottom line, you are not going to get the answer you are looking for. Don't bother engaging the CTE people here because it will only result in insults and become a waste of time. I don't engage them anymore.

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BC21 said:

I've been reading this thread with amusement. Unless bdam lives near Charleston WV, I don't know him. As far as online forums, I'm only on pool forums. One thing is clear: bdam isn't the first to struggle with learning CTE and he won't be the last. I think the best advice comes from those who say to keep working on it and to ignore the mystery of it. If it works, it works. Like the TAN or SIN or COS button on a calculator. Very few people know how to calculate the values by hand, but pushing the button works, even if they don't understand the function.

For bdam: good luck. Lol

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Dan White said:

You stepped on a hornet's nest when you posted your question. It is the same one that many of us ask. The various perceptions work for specific angles but there are gaps between those angles where the system just doesn't work. This is the view held by most of the instructors and physics guys in the forum. Most have moved on.

The CTE users claim there is some mysterious (Stan's word) phenomenon that happens with CTE where those gaps are filled in if you "just give it enough time." That seems to be the common thread that all CTE users say. You have to work hard at it and after time it will all just click. Many of us believe that what "clicks" is that the brain figures out how to fudge things so that you are filling in those gaps by changing your body position or with aiming swoops or whatnot while your conscious mind isn't even aware of it. The problem is that players like you and me see that if you follow the instructions, it doesn't matter if you do it 3 times or 3000 times, nothing changes.

Then you get the recommendation, "Just forget everything you know about playing pool, throw away your preconceptions and just let it happen." My theory is that this is a way to allow your subconscious mind to take over and fool yourself into believing that it is working. Many people claim they are making more balls than before. Well, if you do any set of steps consistently and pay enough attention, you will play better not matter what method it is.

Stan has said that "all will be explained" in his book. The mystery will be revealed, but you are going to have to wait probably until 2018 to get the real goods. There are some rabid CTE supporters here who never believe me, but I would be very happy for Stan if he could, in fact, show how to get more than one result from the same visuals. I assume you've seen Stan's video where he gets 5 different angles across the table from the same CTE/A perception.

Bottom line, you are not going to get the answer you are looking for. Don't bother engaging the CTE people here because it will only result in insults and become a waste of time. I don't engage them anymore.

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denwhit said:

You have noit seen anything yet, the CTE boys can play rough but wait until the comedians and clowns discover you're down and bleeding.

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bdam123 said:

Dude, I don't know who Dan is and I don't really care. I'm just trying to get better at pool. You're crazy

And for your information, I AM using the system (or at least I'm trying to) I've been watching the DVDs most nights for 3-4 weeks and have gotten to the table tow try it out, at this point, three times.

I don't see how, even if I've spent 10 years with it, I would be able to explain how two identical shots can result in two different angles.

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BC21 said:

I've been reading this thread with amusement. Unless bdam lives near Charleston WV, I don't know him. As far as online forums, I'm only on pool forums. One thing is clear: bdam isn't the first to struggle with learning CTE and he won't be the last. I think the best advice comes from those who say to keep working on it and to ignore the mystery of it. If it works, it works. Like the TAN or SIN or COS button on a calculator. Very few people know how to calculate the values by hand, but pushing the button works, even if they don't understand the function.

For bdam: good luck. Lol

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Neil said:

Not true at all. Apparently, you didn't bother to actually read what I wrote. Here it is again-

If you were using CTE, you never would have asked that question, because you would already know the answer to it.

You see, anyone that actually asks that question, it is a huge tell that they aren't using the system at all. So, when they say that they are using it, but still have that question, then it is known by all actual users that they are full of it.

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SpiderWebComm said:

And you consider yourself a real pool player seasoned in the ways of all the types of personalities and hustles that are in pool rooms?

I don't think so. I think you're a great basement player. Nobody who is wouldn't possibly be that naïve to even think it was something else other than a troll. But then again, it gave you another opportunity to pounce on CTE yourself which is one of your favorite activities.

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8pack said:

Its easy to tell that being a know it all is probably your strongest trait. You must be a fun guy to be around.

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8pack said:

The Man said he bought both dvds. What he said is very understanding and the REAL truth, everyones going to question that. When someone repeats the exact same process the outcome should be the same. Cte doesn't have that.

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