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I agree, a different record - 08-23-2019, 06:24 PM

While the BCA accepts this as an exhibition run it blatantly wasn't. The pool hall was closed for most of this run. Rightly or wrongly the video will validate the run but then it is the high run in practice that has video evidence. That "practice" part is a bit awkward, at least three people are said to have had higher runs in practice than Willie's official exhibition run and nobody has paid much attention to these practice runs.

If there is to be any interest in john's run it has to be an exhibition run that nobody watched. Yep, that is a bit peculiar and odd! I bought john's very first video, the 247 run. I can't imagine another video of him practicing to be much more interesting and I don't see a mass produced video being a part of history. I would prefer putting my cash down on an instructional tape or a really good match from accu-stats.

I wish john luck trying to make a buck off of this, I think it will be hard to do.

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08-23-2019, 06:36 PM

Call it what you want. I call it a "run of 626 balls!" Pretty damn good in my book.


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08-23-2019, 06:37 PM

I admire Johnís 626 for whatever it is...donít care what itís labeled.....
...even if it doesnít make him a dime, itís a great feat.

I also admire this woman....donít care what classification it comes under...

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08-23-2019, 06:46 PM

Take the number of balls run out of the equation.

Now.

Do you think the equipment (table, pocket sizes, rails, cloth, balls, cues, chalk, etc., etc.) and conditions (crowd vs no crowd, multiple attempts in practice vs one attempt after an exhibition) were more favorable for a high-count run in John's circumstances or in Willie's circumstances?

I consider both runs as feats that only a few people in the world could ever achieve, but I don't consider them "equal", since they weren't played with the same type of equipment and under different sets of scenarios.
  
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Take the number of balls run out of the equation.

Now.

Do you think the equipment (table, pocket sizes, rails, cloth, balls, cues, chalk, etc., etc.) and conditions (crowd vs no crowd, multiple attempts in practice vs one attempt after an exhibition) were more favorable for a high-count run in John's circumstances or in Willie's circumstances?

I consider both runs as feats that only a few people in the world could ever achieve, but I don't consider them "equal", since they weren't played with the same type of equipment and under different sets of scenarios.
You're right, they aren't equal.

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I admire John’s 626 for whatever it is...don’t care what it’s labeled.....
...even if it doesn’t make him a dime, it’s a great feat.

I also admire this woman....don’t care what classification it comes under...

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I've seen this before and it blew me away! We appreciate the same things. The most amazing feat I've seen in my lifetime was when Philippe Petit walked back and forth 23 times times between the Twin Towers in New York ("To Reach The Clouds"). That topped all the rest.

Mankind's most amazing feat is putting men on the moon - four times! The last time was over 45 years ago and we haven't been able to do it again since!


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Cool Why accecpt less... - 08-23-2019, 07:02 PM

Well here is a fun read for you folks. If you dare click on it.

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watched the woman before, amazing!
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watched the woman before, amazing! - 08-23-2019, 07:06 PM

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I admire Johnís 626 for whatever it is...donít care what itís labeled.....
...even if it doesnít make him a dime, itís a great feat.

I also admire this woman....donít care what classification it comes under...

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pksme

I was just talking about the difficulty monetizing john's run. Gonna be tough!


I could do like that woman if I could just find some rib bones that big! Well, maybe not. I was fascinated by jugglers and those that balance things effortlessly as a youngster. I spent a lot of dead time at work trying, not ever going to be something I am good at. Spent countless hours shuffling and dealing cards too, I could do a perfect split and a perfect split between every card. Four shuffles and the deck was back where it started. I could pick up a deck of cards and tell if one was missing too, I could feel the difference between fifty-one and fifty-two cards. Anytime I seemed to balance something though, almost always a cheat somewhere!

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08-23-2019, 07:48 PM

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Call it what you want. I call it a "run of 626 balls!" Pretty damn good in my book.
Yet your boy DO isn't so impressed with it and if the money is right he's going to take a swing at it , on the same table if that can be arranged also


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I've seen this before and it blew me away! We appreciate the same things. The most amazing feat I've seen in my lifetime was when Philippe Petit walked back and forth 23 times times between the Twin Towers in New York ("To Reach The Clouds"). That topped all the rest.

Mankind's most amazing feat is putting men on the moon - four times! The last time was over 45 years ago and we haven't been able to do it again since!
That's because no one considers it a feat worth doing again other wise it would be done again, breaking old records like Hank Aron did loose value after the first time it was set
Most everyone consider Babe to be the best home run hitter of all time just like there is zero guestion Wille is considered the best straight pool player of all time
What both have in common is they were the best under the lights in big moments that added to thier greatness, Hank and John are all so rans


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Talking 08-23-2019, 09:34 PM

626 is a great run. Whether it is tournament run or exhibition run or practice run, may not matter for now. Since only nano % care about this record.

But what if Charlie Williams suddenly revive his World Straight Pool Championships and one of those top guys for eg. Thorsten shoot exactly 626.

Does that mean in record books (of BCA or Guinness or whoever), Johnís record will have asterisk like this ?

HIGH RUN RECORD
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*John Schmidt also achieved high run of 626 but in non-tournament conditions in May 2019.


  
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626 is a great run. Whether it is tournament run or exhibition run or practice run, may not matter for now. Since only nano % care about this record.

But what if Charlie Williams suddenly revive his World Straight Pool Championships and one of those top guys for eg. Thorsten shoot exactly 626.

Does that mean in record books (of BCA or Guinness or whoever), Johnís record will have asterisk like this ?

HIGH RUN RECORD
Thorsten Hohmann 626

*John Schmidt also achieved high run of 626 but in non-tournament conditions in May 2019.


I feel high competitive run should be a separate category...and most prestigious....
...after all, in a match, a decision is made every shot...play safe or go for it.


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I feel high competitive run should be a separate category...and most prestigious....
...after all, in a match, a decision is made every shot...play safe or go for it.
The rule book, back when it worried more about runs, kept exhibition runs and tournament runs separate.


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Mankind's most amazing feat is putting men on the moon - four times! The last time was over 45 years ago and we haven't been able to do it again since!
I guess you haven't been schooled by Max Eberle.

That was all filmed behind a gas station in Arizona.

  
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You're right, they aren't equal.

626 > 526
You evaded the question.

If two race car drivers both drive 500 miles and one does it in 3 hours and the other does it in 4, which one is the greatest race?

Would it make a difference if one driver was on a track that was a 1 mile circle and the other was on a half mile circle?
  
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