I believe post 198 brings Orcullo's total to 44, placing him sixth.
Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List
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I believe post 198 brings Orcullo's total to 44, placing him sixth.
All of my 2nd-round vote points (5) go to Wu Chia-ching.
He won two major world championships at 16! He also places high or wins every top event he enters, and he is the current world top player (according to FargoRate). He doesn't yet have the longevity and large number of wins as some of the other players on the list, but he certainly has GOAT skills.
I look forward to seeing how the voting pans out in this second round.
Regards,
Dave
He won two major world championships at 16! He also places high or wins every top event he enters, and he is the current world top player (according to FargoRate). He doesn't yet have the longevity and large number of wins as some of the other players on the list, but he certainly has GOAT skills.
I look forward to seeing how the voting pans out in this second round.
Regards,
Dave
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FYI, I added my name and score to the first post.
After 1 vote, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Johnny Archer - 43
9 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
10 - Buddy Hall - 42
Regards,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind.
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According to the first post, you are not allowed to change your vote. But since this was the first time this came up, and since you got it in before the first-round deadline, I will add Dennis to the list.
Thanks,
Dave
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Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind.
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind.
wouldn't that push wu out of the top 10 and make your own second round vote invalid?
Since the rules prohibited changing votes, I should have been firm and not allow Dennis into the Top 10. I think the only simple and fair solution at this point is to keep Buddy Hall on the list (and expand 10 to 11 for now) since he got bumped in the shuffle. Sorry for the confusion. When second-round voting is done (on 6/30/2019), I will drop the 11th spot.
Regards,
Dave
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Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
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Fine...then you can't use the term "GOAT". Greatest modern era, whatever, but not All Time. Points of comparison notwithstanding, just straight up championships and comparisons from their respective eras would count in a comparison. That said, "Efren 5" for me. And for the record, I think he gives the old timers the 7 regardless, so he's the GOAT as far as I'm concerned.
Second round Efren 3, Earl 1, Shane 1.
Good points, but how far back should we go? There were many great players before Mosconi's time. I realistically had to draw the line somewhere, and I chose 1970. I would prefer not change "GOAT" to "GITME" (Greatest In The Modern Era), but maybe I should. But then nobody would know what I'm talking about. :sorry:
FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.
After 2 second-round votes, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 161
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
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FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.
After 3 second-round votes, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 164
2 - Shane Van Boening - 76
3 - Earl Strickland - 74
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
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I would like to add 3 for Alex P. and 2 for Reyes.
FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.
After 4 second-round votes, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 166
2 - Shane Van Boening - 76
3 - Earl Strickland - 74
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 69
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
I’ll put 5 on Alex the l p.
FYI, I added your name and score to the first post.
After 5 second-round votes, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 166
2 - Shane Van Boening - 76
3 - Earl Strickland - 74
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 74
5 - Nick Varner - 73
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
SVB = 5 points.
earl 5 points
FYI, I added your name and score to the first post.
After 6 second-round votes, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):
Rank - Name - Score
1 - Efren Reyes - 166
2 - Shane Van Boening - 81
3 - Earl Strickland - 74
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 74
5 - Nick Varner - 73
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Wu Chia-ching - 45
8 - Dennis Ocollo - 44
9 - Johnny Archer - 43
10 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
11 - Buddy Hall - 42
Thank you for participating,
Dave
PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.