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The case a draft dodging president and a commando accused of war crimes - 12-02-2019, 07:55 AM




Basic military order and discipline principles have once again escaped the mental comprehension abilities of our pussy footed draft dodger in chief. Carry on "Mr President."

He was limp and dusty from an explosion, conscious but barely. A far cry from the fierce, masked Islamic State fighters who once seized vast swaths of Iraq and Syria, the captive was a scraggly teenager in a tank top with limbs so thin that his watch slid easily off his wrist.

Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher and other Navy SEALs gave the young captive medical aid that day in Iraq in 2017, sedating him and cutting an airway in his throat to help him breathe. Then, without warning, according to colleagues, Gallagher pulled a small hunting knife from a sheath and stabbed the sedated captive in the neck.

The same Gallagher who later posed for a photograph holding the dead captive up by the hair has now been celebrated on the campaign trail by President Donald Trump, who upended the military code of justice to protect him from the punishment resulting from the episode. Prodded by Fox News, Trump has been trumpeting him as an argument for his reelection.

The violent encounter in a faraway land opened a two-year affair that would pit a Pentagon hierarchy wedded to longstanding rules of combat and discipline against a commander in chief with no experience in uniform but a finely honed sense of grievance against authority. The highest ranks in the Navy insisted Gallagher be held accountable. Trump overruled the chain of command and the secretary of the Navy was fired.

The case of the president and a commando accused of war crimes offers a lesson in how Trump presides over the armed forces three years after taking office. While he boasts of supporting the military, he has come to distrust the generals and admirals who run it. Rather than accept information from his own government, he responds to television reports that grab his interest. Warned against crossing lines, he bulldozes past precedent and norms.

As a result, the president finds himself more removed than ever from a disenchanted military command, adding the armed forces to the institutions under his authority that he has feuded with, along with the intelligence community, law enforcement agencies and diplomatic corps.

“We’re going to take care of our warriors and I will always stick up for our great fighters,” Trump told a rally in Florida as he depicted the military hierarchy as part of “the deep state” he vowed to dismantle. “People can sit there in air-conditioned offices and complain, but you know what? It doesn’t matter to me whatsoever.”

The president’s handling of the case has distressed active-duty and retired officers and the civilians who work closely with them. His intervention, they said, emboldens war criminals and erodes the order of a professional military.

“He’s interfering with the chain of command, which is trying to police its own ranks,” said Peter D. Feaver, a specialist on civilian-military relations at Duke University and former aide to President George W. Bush. “They’re trying to clean up their act and in the middle of it the president parachutes in — and not from information from his own commanders but from news talking heads who are clearly gaming the system.”

Chris Shumake, a former sniper who served in Gallagher’s platoon, said in an interview that he was troubled by the impact the president’s intervention could have on the SEALs.

“It’s blown up bigger than any of us could have ever expected, and turned into a national clown show that put a bad light on the teams,” said Shumake, speaking publicly for the first time. “He’s trying to show he has the troops’ backs, but he’s saying he doesn’t trust any of the troops or their leaders to make the right decisions.”

Gallagher, who has denied wrongdoing, declined through his lawyer to be interviewed. Trump’s allies said the president was standing up to political correctness that hamstrings the warriors the nation asks to defend it, as if war should be fought according to lawyerly rules.

“From the beginning, this was overzealous prosecutors who were not giving the benefit of the doubt to the trigger-pullers,” Pete Hegseth, a weekend host of “Fox & Friends” who has promoted Gallagher to the president both on the telephone and on air, said this past week. “That’s what the president saw.”

‘No One Touch Him. He’s Mine.’

Gallagher, 40, a seasoned operator with a face weathered from eight combat deployments, sometimes went by the nickname Blade. He sought the toughest assignments, where gunfire and blood were almost guaranteed. Months before deploying, he sent a text to the SEAL master chief making assignments, saying he was “down to go” to any spot, no matter how awful, so long as “there is for sure action and work to be done.”

“We don’t care about living conditions,” he added. “We just want to kill as many people as possible.”

Before deployment, he commissioned a friend and former SEAL to make him a custom hunting knife and a hatchet, vowing in a text, “I’ll try and dig that knife or hatchet on someone’s skull!”

He was in charge of 22 men in SEAL Team 7’s Alpha Platoon, which deployed to Mosul, Iraq, in early 2017. But his platoon was nowhere near the action, assigned an “advise and assist” mission supporting Iraqi commandos doing the block-by-block fighting. The SEALs were required to stay 1,000 meters behind the front lines.

That changed on May 6, 2017, when an Apache helicopter banked over a dusty patchwork of fields outside Mosul, fixed its sights on a farmhouse serving as an Islamic State command post and fired two Hellfire missiles reducing it to rubble.

Gallagher saw the explosion from an armored gun truck. When he heard on the radio that Iraqi soldiers had captured an Islamic State fighter and taken him to a nearby staging area, he raced to the scene. “No one touch him,” he radioed other SEALs. “He’s mine.”


  
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12-02-2019, 09:04 AM

Picking up the baton for Robin with yahoo articles? Could it be anything as 'true' as this: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=499879

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12-02-2019, 10:00 AM

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Picking up the baton for Robin with yahoo articles? Could it be anything as 'true' as this: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=499879

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12-02-2019, 06:32 PM

Must be talking about Bill Clinton, he loathed the Military.
  
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12-03-2019, 12:36 AM

say what you will about the posters, but Trump did pull the rug from under his military commanders there... not a great way to lead IMHO


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12-03-2019, 07:26 AM

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say what you will about the posters, but Trump did pull the rug from under his military commanders there... not a great way to lead IMHO
You can't pull the rug from under your military commanders when you are the commander in chief. Trumps in charge. If they want to be in charge, it's pretty simple really, run for office and win. We all take orders from "above" and I don't mean God. And we don't have to agree with them, but we have to respect them. I'm certainly not going public when my boss tells me to do something I don't particularly like.


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Must be talking about Bill Clinton, he loathed the Military.
That doesn't fit the narrative. This is a Trump bashing thread.


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That doesn't fit the narrative. This is a Trump bashing thread.

Not Trump bashing. Just the truth. I have a chest full of fruit salad, do you? I answered the call of duty...did you, did Trump.

Don't you find it ironic that we have a warmongering rich-boy pussy-footed president who brags about taking care of "his war fighters" when he himself "balked" multiple times to grab the bull by the horns?

He's the talks the talk but didn't walk the walk president.

Well done Mr President, you are a real first class chicken shit fighting off social diseases in NYC while other true patriots were fighting for your freedom in Nam.


  
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Not Trump bashing. Just the truth. I have a chest full of fruit salad, do you? I answered the call of duty...did you, did Trump.

Don't you find it ironic that we have a warmongering rich-boy pussy-footed president who brags about taking care of "his war fighters" when he himself "balked" multiple times to grab the bull by the horns?

He's the talks the talk but didn't walk the walk president.

Well done Mr President, you are a real first class chicken shit fighting off social diseases in NYC while other true patriots were fighting for your freedom in Nam.
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Not Trump bashing. Just the truth. I have a chest full of fruit salad, do you? I answered the call of duty...did you, did Trump.

Don't you find it ironic that we have a warmongering rich-boy pussy-footed president who brags about taking care of "his war fighters" when he himself "balked" multiple times to grab the bull by the horns?

He's the talks the talk but didn't walk the walk president.

Well done Mr President, you are a real first class chicken shit fighting off social diseases in NYC while other true patriots were fighting for your freedom in Nam.
I don’t blame trump for not serving during that time. Almost everyone tried every way possible to get out of going to that war. I do have a problem with him disparaging people who served, while acting like a tough guy.
  
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I don’t blame trump for not serving during that time. Almost everyone tried every way possible to get out of going to that war. I do have a problem with him disparaging people who served, while acting like a tough guy.
I agree, I hate that about Trump, always have.

From the moment he bashed McCain......

You can hate a guy and still think he's doing a good job. Trump?

You can like a guy and still think he's destroying principles of the country. Obama?
  
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What branch did Obama serve in?
  
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Not Trump bashing. Just the truth. I have a chest full of fruit salad, do you? I answered the call of duty...did you, did Trump.

Don't you find it ironic that we have a warmongering rich-boy pussy-footed president who brags about taking care of "his war fighters" when he himself "balked" multiple times to grab the bull by the horns?

He's the talks the talk but didn't walk the walk president.

Well done Mr President, you are a real first class chicken shit fighting off social diseases in NYC while other true patriots were fighting for your freedom in Nam.
Really, fighting in Nam was fighting for our freedoms. I don't fuggin think so. Vietnam fell, and it changed NOTHING in America. Good, young kids died for your warmonger Dems. Who got us involved in Vietnam again? WHo kept us there? who got us the FUG out? Yeah, you're welcome.

Trump has taken more troops home than he put overseas. When was the last time that happened ? 18 years of the Dems war and you and your dems want to keep US there for another 18 years. Who are the warmongers... here's a hint. It's you.


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Really, fighting in Nam was fighting for our freedoms. I don't fuggin think so. Vietnam fell, and it changed NOTHING in America. Good, young kids died for your warmonger Dems. Who got us involved in Vietnam again? WHo kept us there? who got us the FUG out? Yeah, you're welcome.

Trump has taken more troops home than he put overseas. When was the last time that happened ? 18 years of the Dems war and you and your dems want to keep US there for another 18 years. Who are the warmongers... here's a hint. It's you.
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