This is the video you are talking about most likely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKmpmsT3bw&t=21s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKmpmsT3bw&t=21s
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Nice baiting. Lol. Poolology has another 20yrs to catch up with CTE. But I like the way you think, sometimes.
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OMG, Aiming systems revs' up emotions as much as oil & tire 'discussions' on my motorcycle forums!
It got so bad the moderator's filtered out any mention of Amsoil!
It got so bad the moderator's filtered out any mention of Amsoil!
LOL that is funny that the mods filter out a product. What I think is funny is that you can talk about using other aiming methods/systems and you might get a little rise out of some people but as soon as you mention CTE it like you dumped holy water on a demon.
What I think is interesting is that all aiming systems have one thing in common, that is you have to hit the object ball at the correct spot to make the ball. What system we use is irrelevant.
Everyone is different in how the see things, ETC. I can see/use many of the aiming systems, but for the life of me I just don't see or able to visualize the Ghost Ball, does that mean it is not a viable system or other can't see because I can't? No. It just means that Ghost Ball aiming doesn't work for me. I know how to teach it and do because that's what some students can see and struggle with the others.
No matter what system you use a player must practice it in order for it to work.
Lol. It is quite entertaining how quickly things escalate anytime certain people express different opinions or beliefs here. Glad to hear it's not just this forum.
I remember someone here saying that aiming systems are like religious indoctrinations, where varying opinions are not welcome, not tolerated, and should be met with quick and extreme opposition, which involves personal attacks, name calling, and belittling. Apparently there's a 20+yr war going on. Every now and then a thread may seem good and constructive, but it's always one comment from slipping back into the war.
Hopefully Stan Shuffett's CTE book will bring a ceasefire, or better yet a final end to all the bs.
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Great post!
I was told by Tom Rossman (Dr. Cue) that ghostball is the only/best method to teach. He said that's all he teaches. We were discussing my book in comparison to traditional learning methods, and we disagreed on this subject. He is a great guy, very passionate about pool, very enthusiastic and entertaining. I have much respect for him, but I think your ideas are more open to the reality of how people actually learn.
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I remember you doing a video and thinking you solved world peace. I also remember that hardly anyone agreed with you or even cared about your video.
PS you want to give an opinion on CTE go right ahead. But you should stop embarrassing yourself and from now on give an educated opinion about it.
She is that. But she has bad political opinions. Such a shame.
You should do an updated video
You'd have to go to amazon for that endorsement
Let me ask Mike if it is OK to reopen a scientific discussion of CTE, since you mentioned it, and I'll get back to you.
CTE is the standard that other systems are compared to. When is the last time someone talked about an aiming system without mentioning CTE? Lots of jealousy going around.
This forum is a tiny fraction of the pool playing world. If Stan's book and "Truth Series" are good, no one here in this handful of players can really do anything to hurt it. That's the benefit of putting your work out there for a world wide opinion. There will always be a few negative reviews, but they don't amount to much in the big picture.
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It's not about hurting CTE. It's about deliberately hurting those who teach or advocate aiming systems and IN PARTICULAR, the incredibly nasty attacks against Hal and Stan perpetrated by a few here.
Aiming systems aren't going anywhere and they can only get more precise over time as more people adopt them and more minds analyze them and find ways to explain the methods and instructions.
My major issue is the naysayers who have literally made it almost their personal mission to conduct a war against aiming systems to the point that they enjoy warning people to stay away from them. Much like a stepping on something sharp, you don't do it often but when you do it hurts and has to be addressed. But in a way the naysayers are also partially responsible for fueling the interest. Without them there would be no aiming forum and the motivation to prove what is known in various mediums would be lacking. Because of the naysayers, hurtful and hateful that they have been, the conversations have continued far longer than they otherwise would have. They have forced people to examine all aspects of aiming to a much higher degree.
So at the end of the day the pool world is better off for having many recognized OBJECTIVE methods of aiming, from fairly simple such as 90/90 to kind of complicated (for some) like yours, to intense but very very accurate like CTE.
With that in mind I would give an award to the hateful naysayers. Although I believe that their motivation was purely negative it would not be right not to acknowledge that without their actions we wouldn't likely be as interested in aiming.
All that said, I can't believe none of them are going to take down that 5k freeroll Stan posted. Should be easy money considering that they have all claimed to know exactly how CTE does and does not work. Guess maybe their position isn't as strong as they thought.
Aiming systems aren't going anywhere and they can only get more precise over time as more people adopt them and more minds analyze them and find ways to explain the methods and instructions.
My major issue is the naysayers who have literally made it almost their personal mission to conduct a war against aiming systems to the point that they enjoy warning people to stay away from them. Much like a stepping on something sharp, you don't do it often but when you do it hurts and has to be addressed. But in a way the naysayers are also partially responsible for fueling the interest. Without them there would be no aiming forum and the motivation to prove what is known in various mediums would be lacking. Because of the naysayers, hurtful and hateful that they have been, the conversations have continued far longer than they otherwise would have. They have forced people to examine all aspects of aiming to a much higher degree.
So at the end of the day the pool world is better off for having many recognized OBJECTIVE methods of aiming, from fairly simple such as 90/90 to kind of complicated (for some) like yours, to intense but very very accurate like CTE.
With that in mind I would give an award to the hateful naysayers. Although I believe that their motivation was purely negative it would not be right not to acknowledge that without their actions we wouldn't likely be as interested in aiming.
All that said, I can't believe none of them are going to take down that 5k freeroll Stan posted. Should be easy money considering that they have all claimed to know exactly how CTE does and does not work. Guess maybe their position isn't as strong as they thought.
This is the man who tried to accuse Stan of steering.
Unfortunately for him other people have access to slow motion video capture as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THkFF7FBGBA
One of Stan's many "challenges", I assume - the kind that nobody ever wins or loses because it can never be agreed what the terms are.
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I like the analysis, both yours and Dan's. But in my mind this whole video of Stan's is flawed simply because he keeps referring to that first shot as if it's a halfball hit, which he obviously spins in because it's not a halfball hit, as you even acknowledge. Little things like this (a professional instructor making simple errors in describing what he is doing) is what tarnishes the rest of what he is does in the video. There's room for doubt and speculation because he is so wrong from the start.
I do like where Stan says he doesn't care about the exact angle because it doesn't concern him when using CTE. But still, that whole halfball business puts the video into shady territory for most people trying to learn CTE.