Tip Deflection Question??????????????

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scsuxci

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I had a talk today about if a harder tip gives less deflection
or a softer one.
A few guys said softer tips gives less deflection and few thought hard.
I personally thought a hard tip gives less deflection cause it leaves
the cue on immediate contact after striking the cueball.

Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks
 
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Neil

AzB Silver Member
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If you want the answer from actual studies of it, check out Dr. Daves material. If you just want other opinions, I'm sure they will be forthcoming.
 
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lewisspires

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I'm with Neil. Deflection has more to do with the shaft than tip, but, he's right it's all a matter of opinion.

Check out Dr. Dave
 
Nick B

Nick B

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Based on how hard break tips react I would assume that hard tips deflect more. Not much but more. i don't have any hard data but I'm sure the doctor knows definitively.


Nick
 
PaulieB

PaulieB

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My personal opinion was that deflection was based on shaft end mass, so a soft tip vs. a hard tip wouldn't matter much. My personal opinion, however, is just that... and I could be completely wrong. :)
 
Shaft

Shaft

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I am in the camp that expects soft tips, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, to generate less squirt, but the effect would be small compared to tip mass.
I have no experimental data to back my opinion.
I think the experiments have NOT found a measurable difference.
 
Cornerman

Cornerman

Cue Author...Sometimes
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scsuxci said:
I had a talk today about if a harder tip gives less deflection
or a softer one.
A few guys said softer tips gives less deflection and few thought hard.
I personally thought a hard tip gives less deflection cause it leaves
the cue on immediate contact after striking the cueball.

Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks
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There are at least two theories that argue both sides. And I've hashed them out for over 15 years, so I won't again (much). Seeing the test results are way better.

In the end, if there's a difference, the two theories are opposed (physically and theoretically) to each other and the absolute difference should end up with about equal amounts of squirt. Not exactly equal, but we're talking some minuscule amounts.

The universe is interesting in that way, although this isn't quite the same as some conservation of energy equation.

Freddie <~~~ and you can check out test results at Dr. Dave's
 
whammo57

whammo57

Kim Walker
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Stop worrying about it............ It won't make a difference in your game either way. Learn to play with the cue that's in your hand............... practice........... All cues deflect and all cue balls squirt........... some more than others.............

Kim
 
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naji

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scsuxci said:
I had a talk today about if a harder tip gives less deflection
or a softer one.
A few guys said softer tips gives less deflection and few thought hard.
I personally thought a hard tip gives less deflection cause it leaves
the cue on immediate contact after striking the cueball.

Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks
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deflection is the same for any tip, it is the steering of CB what makes the difference. It is complicated subject, but it is at times the difference is so small it does not effect pocketing for pool, but it does for snooker.
 
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scsuxci

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whammo57 said:
Stop worrying about it............ It won't make a difference in your game either way. Learn to play with the cue that's in your hand............... practice........... All cues deflect and all cue balls squirt........... some more than others.............

Kim
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My game is fine, I'm not worrying about that. It was a general discussion as a bunch
of us were just shootin the poop. :)
 
Shaft

Shaft

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whammo57 said:
Stop worrying about it............ It won't make a difference in your game either way. Learn to play with the cue that's in your hand............... practice........... All cues deflect and all cue balls squirt........... some more than others.............

Kim
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That is some sage advice.
 
ctyhntr

ctyhntr

RIP Kelly
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Shocking as it may seem, some will still ignore your advice, continue to look for excuses and placebos.

whammo57 said:
Stop worrying about it............ It won't make a difference in your game either way. Learn to play with the cue that's in your hand............... practice........... All cues deflect and all cue balls squirt........... some more than others.............

Kim
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scsuxci

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ctyhntr said:
Shocking as it may seem, some will still ignore your advice, continue to look for excuses and placebos.
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I'm not sure if I'm typing in English but it was a discussion a bunch of us were having so I'd thought I'd see what others thought about soft tips to hard to deflection.
How these things become more than what I've asked is beyond me.
What would make you think from my question that I'm looking for
excuses for god knows what cause I don't .
 
The Renfro

The Renfro

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The question does have merit for interested minds... Dr Dave has proven that mass is key to deflection and tip hardness or construction won't change the physics in any significant way....

As far as people looking for excuses I don't know where it comes from but a similar out-pouring occurs any time we have a question about low deflection shafts, tapers, joints... et all.... Maybe this is from the ignorance is bliss crew and we are in some way impacting their blissfulness....

I attempt to understand as much as possible and in truth much of it has almost nothing to do with ability on the table... Doesn't keep me from continuing to research and ask questions....

Chris
 
Tokyo-dave

Tokyo-dave

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Ha ha......anytime somebody posts a question here, people just assume they're a dumbass and all the great teachers come crawling out of the woodwork with information NOT for the purpose of informing, but for the sole purpose of justifying ones sense of worth and knowledge.
Dave
 
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bdorman

Dead money
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Pool is built on excuses. You aren't a top class player until you have an excuse for every possible situation.

Therefore, I want to thank the OP. I had never considered that tip hardness could cause me to miss long, inside english shots. It's like having another arrow in my quiver.

BTW, I use soft tips so those must be the ones that deflect more.
 
whammo57

whammo57

Kim Walker
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bdorman said:
Pool is built on excuses. You aren't a top class player until you have an excuse for every possible situation.

Therefore, I want to thank the OP. I had never considered that tip hardness could cause me to miss long, inside english shots. It's like having another arrow in my quiver.

BTW, I use soft tips so those must be the ones that deflect more.
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hahah.............. very nice

Kim
 
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