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Incorrect Grip? - 12-01-2019, 10:48 AM

So Iíve been playing for about 8 years. Iím noticing in the past year my grip has been allowing the cue to slide through my hand every single shot I play. And now that Iíve switched from leather to linen itís much more noticeable to me. I feel like when I try to do the ďv gripĒ itís way too tight for me. So Iím just looking for some help on what I should do. Iíve been analyzing Shane Van Boening, Jayson Shaw, Darren Appleton and none of them let the cue slip through ever. Iíll attach pictures of my grip. Thereís always light between my webbing and the butt, and I always let the cue go on the follow through and it slips through.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LRwUFknhNrtv8Rbf6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TDhzQ56pMQanBM7h8

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12-01-2019, 11:59 AM

Some very great players used something called a "slip stroke" - so letting the cue pass through your grip hand to some degree is not really a negative aspect. Are you trying to correct a real problem or a perceived problem? The only real reasons to change a grip are that either it is too uncomfortable to play or the grip is not allowing the cue to execute the desired stroke- is it one or both of these problems? if not - don't do anything different.
  
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12-01-2019, 12:16 PM

https://youtu.be/tP2GlqN49Js
https://youtu.be/ZKOy9gWj0nk

Have you tried this snooker style or is
this what you mean by v grip?

If you hold it with the thumb and first finger
it should not slip. Those pictures
look like this is what your doing,
I'm not sure why it slips. I use this grip
and the cue does not slide in my hand.

One thing I will add is that when I was working
on my own grip, learning to trust my arm
and take the hand out of the equation was difficult.
Especially speed control.
No matter how I grip the cue as long as I used my bicep
to move the cue and not my hand the cue didn't slip.
Loose relaxed hand and using the big muscles(bicep&tricep) to move the cue.
Like a putting stroke in golf. If you let the hands get
involved your fked

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12-01-2019, 12:32 PM

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12-01-2019, 12:40 PM

good to see the offensive threads removed

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12-01-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by couldnthinkof01 View Post
https://youtu.be/tP2GlqN49Js
https://youtu.be/ZKOy9gWj0nk

Have you tried this snooker style or is
this what you mean by v grip?

If you hold it with the thumb and first finger
it should not slip. Those pictures
look like this is what your doing,
I'm not sure why it slips. I use this grip
and the cue does not slide in my hand.

One thing I will add is that when I was working
on my own grip, learning to trust my arm
and take the hand out of the equation was difficult.
Especially speed control.
No matter how I grip the cue as long as I used my bicep
to move the cue and not my hand the cue didn't slip.
Loose relaxed hand and using the big muscles(bicep&tricep) to move the cue.
Like a putting stroke in golf. If you let the hands get
involved your fked
I think sometimes my hand is a lot more involved than it ever should be, I definitely don't let my arm move the cue 100% of the time. That's good helpful advice, I appreciate it. Did you basically just watch Barry's grip videos and try to remap your muscle memory in your stroke to just use your arm muscles while trying to keep your hand cradled?
  
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12-01-2019, 01:08 PM

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I think sometimes my hand is a lot more involved than it ever should be, I definitely don't let my arm move the cue 100% of the time. That's good helpful advice, I appreciate it. Did you basically just watch Barry's grip videos and try to remap your muscle memory in your stroke to just use your arm muscles while trying to keep your hand cradled?
I watched other players. Read on Dr. Daves website
www.drdavebilliards.com. Every book and google search
on grips I could find.
I tried each different style for 2 weeks to a month.
I landed on Barry Stark style snooker grip because
it was the most consistent for me.

In the beginning I practiced it for a few weeks then put
it under pressure gambling and playing tournaments.
Under pressure I would grip it too tight or too lose
because I didn't trust it yet.
I stuck with it and found the hand naturally opens and
closes if I learned to trust my arm to do the work
and not think about what my hand was doing.

My speed control suffered, i would hit it way too
hard, grip it to tight and send the cue off course,
try to be loose and let the cue do the work and on hard
struck shots the cue would fly out of my hand.

If I had to venture a guess it was about 6 months to
a year before I was stroking the cue without thinking
about what my arm/ hand was doing.
In time I learned to trust it and do it unconsciously.

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12-01-2019, 01:19 PM

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I watched other players. Read on Dr. Daves website
www.drdavebilliards.com. Every book and google search
on grips I could find.
I tried each different style for 2 weeks to a month.
I landed on Barry Stark style snooker grip because
if was the most consistent for me.

In the beginning I practiced it for a few weeks then put
it under pressure gambling and playing tournaments.
Under pressure I would grip it too tight or too lose
because I didn't trust it yet.
I stuck with it and found the hand naturally opens and
closes if I learned to trust my arm to do the work
and not think about what my hand was doing.

My speed control suffered, i would hit it way too
hard, grip it to tight and send the cue off course,
try to be loose and let the cue do the work and on hard
struck shots the cue would fly out of my hand.

If I had to venture a guess it was about 6 months to
a year before I was stroking the cue without thinking
about what my arm/ hand was doing.
In time I learned to trust it and do it unconsciously.
Ok, I think what I've been experiencing was that I was using my hand to stroke the cue and therefore I have been using a couple fingers flexed and then I let go to make sure the cue goes straight. This has been the most helpful advice I've gotten on the grip, hopefully I can put it to use. Thanks. I'm going for a jog, see you later!
  
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12-01-2019, 01:23 PM

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Iím noticing in the past year my grip has been allowing the cue to slide through my hand every single shot I play.
Some people just do this naturally.

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And now that Iíve switched from leather to linen itís much more noticeable to me.
linen has lower friction/stiction to your fingers.

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I feel like when I try to do the ďv gripĒ itís way too tight for me. So Iím just looking for some help on what I should do. Iíve been analyzing Shane Van Boening, Jayson Shaw, Darren Appleton and none of them let the cue slip through ever. Iíll attach pictures of my grip. Thereís always light between my webbing and the butt, and I always let the cue go on the follow through and it slips through.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LRwUFknhNrtv8Rbf6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TDhzQ56pMQanBM7h8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9TyC8eJWfPtbqKDd8
The only thing I see in your pictures is that you have a touch of tension in the fingers.
  
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12-01-2019, 02:39 PM

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Some people just do this naturally.



linen has lower friction/stiction to your fingers.



The only thing I see in your pictures is that you have a touch of tension in the fingers.
I agree with all of your statements. The finger tension is a weird thing that I somehow developed in the past year that I am going to fix starting tonight. Thanks for the reply
  
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The Grip is one of the Culprits - 12-01-2019, 02:40 PM

I like to keep the back of my hand & the flat part of my wrist & lower arm, all on the same PLANE. I can feel that in my stroke & that's how I use my arm in the stroke. For Me, I think that eliminates any rotation of the grip.

I also do other things, but I can't see much in the photos, except from the back. Do you do any videos of your stroke..?




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12-01-2019, 03:07 PM

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I like to keep the back of my hand & the flat part of my wrist & lower arm, all on the same PLANE. I can feel that in my stroke & that's how I use my arm in the stroke. For Me, I think that eliminates any rotation of the grip.

I also do other things, but I can't see much in the photos, except from the back. Do you do any videos of your stroke..?
I stream/record sessions on occasion. I just took those photos from a recording of the other day. I could do a more condensed stroke analysis video tonight when I go practice and put it up.

On an irrelevant side note I have the break rak in my closet, pretty cool invention I must say. Sure beats walking around the table to get all of the balls and messing around with the rack every time you want to do break practice.
  
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Videoing your stroke - 12-01-2019, 04:49 PM

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I stream/record sessions on occasion. I just took those photos from a recording of the other day. I could do a more condensed stroke analysis video tonight when I go practice and put it up.

On an irrelevant side note I have the break rak in my closet, pretty cool invention I must say. Sure beats walking around the table to get all of the balls and messing around with the rack every time you want to do break practice.
First off, thanks for the mention of the BreakRAK & your kind words.

A straight stroke is the pathway to winning in Competition. Most of us like winning & lots of us practice, but not as much or as well as we should. The folks that are determined to make it in this Sport, are definitely committed. Good Luck to you.....




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12-01-2019, 05:14 PM

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So I’ve been playing for about 8 years. I’m noticing in the past year my grip has been allowing the cue to slide through my hand every single shot I play. And now that I’ve switched from leather to linen it’s much more noticeable to me. I feel like when I try to do the “v grip” it’s way too tight for me. So I’m just looking for some help on what I should do. I’ve been analyzing Shane Van Boening, Jayson Shaw, Darren Appleton and none of them let the cue slip through ever. I’ll attach pictures of my grip. There’s always light between my webbing and the butt, and I always let the cue go on the follow through and it slips through.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LRwUFknhNrtv8Rbf6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TDhzQ56pMQanBM7h8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9TyC8eJWfPtbqKDd8
Nothing wrong with letting the cue slip.
Just ask Efren.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYDMMw5TtE


  
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First off, thanks for the mention of the BreakRAK & your kind words.

A straight stroke is the pathway to winning in Competition. Most of us like winning & lots of us practice, but not as much or as well as we should. The folks that are determined to make it in this Sport, are definitely committed. Good Luck to you.....
Thank you very much!

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Nothing wrong with letting the cue slip.
Just ask Efren.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYDMMw5TtE
I know efren has a loose grip but he's not from this planet. I'm definitely not him.
  
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