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12-06-2019, 08:25 AM

Some of the Action Report matches were played on modified 4" Gold Crown. Shane played spectacularly on it and basically slaughtered every opponent on it at one time or another.

Everybody has a cracking point when it comes to pressure. A tight table lowers that threshold. Mosconi cup is a spectacle with team/peer pressure played in front of an international audience. We see the same in Ryder Cup golf - no pressure like it.

Long races allow a player like Shane to loosen up. When he does, take cover. Maybe Filler will do the same, but who knows yet?


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12-06-2019, 10:04 AM

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I would rather see DO play filler than SVB although Shane is my favorite player. Have DO play him 9B races to 50 best 2 out of 3 sets. DO with his precise cueball and their breaks being even would barbecue filler. IMO of course. I would rather see this first before SVB. I think DO is the 9B king and close to the one pocket king as well. Iím not a DO fan but you canít deny his Buddy Hall from the 70ís and 80ís precision. Heís a better version of Buddy Hall whom I seen in tough matches in his prime 100ís of times.
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12-06-2019, 10:25 AM

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Filler runs him over
But is filler's big-cash-play game really proven?

Honestly, I am still unconvinced big money/ long set format is any good for Shaw.
  
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12-06-2019, 04:16 PM

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This was in February 2014, Shane beat Corey 21-10 with Corey getting the 5+6 in 10-ball. It was livestreamed by Hard Times.
Watched it live.

Corey had a trouble making a ball on the break.

IIRC, they both left together in Corey's rental car afterwards
  
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12-06-2019, 05:30 PM

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Watched it live.

Corey had a trouble making a ball on the break.

IIRC, they both left together in Corey's rental car afterwards
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12-06-2019, 07:33 PM

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that's it! gypsy-soul

internet bravado at its funniest
I am not a WOLFER and i will BET pretty high on gypsy soul against other posters on here,i personally have met and gambled with him (years ago) and he simply loves to play and gamble...is not nowhere near being a champion or even decent shortstop...but he isn,t helpless either,just loves to play against regular joes,like he is...it isn,t an act or bluffing,just post up and play him if you think that.

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12-06-2019, 07:44 PM

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Do you think Filler's backers want to take on the undisputed King at his best game? What if Filler wins? How many people will want to play him after that?
If your in it for the cash, and most backers are.....why play the best and throw away money you could win from the low hanging fruit?
just sayin.....
About the same as he is getting now...NONE ...who do you think is trying to play him period...none...but he can,t ask for more than shane is offering,neutral racker,just make sure the balls are froze,if not,ask for rerack??how fair can you make it?. Nine ball,the wing ball goes every time so its 8 ball or less on the table after every break,less traffic...ten ball for BIG boys,period..
  
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No 2. is simply not true... - 12-06-2019, 08:29 PM

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Here's my 2 cents:

1) Someone having a better tournament record has nothing to do with a gambling match between the two.

2) Filler losing his match in the Mosconi Cup will have no bearing on his future playing skills.

3) Shane playing ten ball under his conditions (RYO, long race, big money, Winner breaks) is the favorite against anyone. No one can put the packages together like Shane. You just can't fade that many racks.

4) There is no question Filler is a great player. If he thought he could beat Shane at ten ball he would play. He wouldn't be concerned about future action. Once Shane put some packages together I think Filler would fade.
Filler is still super young, youth brings a feeling of invincibility that age and experience dispels.

The problem with that feeling is that a loss, especially a loss like his against skyler that brings a defeat in the biggest match up every year (yes the mosconi cup is the biggest match up in pocket billiards of the year) can have huge detrimental effects on the mental game, which is the biggest part of the game at the highest levels.

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12-06-2019, 08:50 PM

Hey Jaden!

You're right that confidence is paramount at the elite level. It's hard to know what's going to impact Filler's self belief. I wouldn't want to bet the MC loss is hard for him to shake off.

To win the titles he's won he's had to shake off a lot of painful losses prior to this. He's also had a lot of positive experiences to build confidence on. I'm not sure why this loss would be any different than just another result in a long string of results. I think he'll be ok.

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12-06-2019, 09:04 PM

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Filler is still super young, youth brings a feeling of invincibility that age and experience dispels.

The problem with that feeling is that a loss, especially a loss like his against skyler that brings a defeat in the biggest match up every year (yes the mosconi cup is the biggest match up in pocket billiards of the year) can have huge detrimental effects on the mental game, which is the biggest part of the game at the highest levels.

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Hey Jaden!

You're right that confidence is paramount at the elite level. It's hard to know what's going to impact Filler's self belief. I wouldn't want to bet the MC loss is hard for him to shake off.

To win the titles he's won he's had to shake off a lot of painful losses prior to this. He's also had a lot of positive experiences to build confidence on. I'm not sure why this loss would be any different than just another result in a long string of results. I think he'll be ok.

Then again, I've been wrong before.
Twice Filler dogged it in the Sky match....he shot a simple 2-ball, subtle hold for the 4-ball
....couldnít let go of the cue....had to play safe.
Later game, shot a ball down the rail, another soft hit shot, had to hit it high right to hold it.
....hit center ball instead and froze on the 9-ball to hook himself.

He knows he dogged it....big learning experience...he will learn from this....
...the world is in even more trouble in the next two years...heíll be tougher.

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12-06-2019, 09:09 PM

You can say "I am King" but for that to be true you must go to the Kings realm and play him his game. You win -- you are King. Until then you are a wannabe--an excellent one-- but still a wannabe.
  
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12-06-2019, 09:25 PM

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But is filler's big-cash-play game really proven?

Honestly, I am still unconvinced big money/ long set format is any good for Shaw.
I'd like to see Shaw bet 20k of his own....bet he'd try harder than he has when backed. I'd like to see all the pros bet their own. Whole different ball game.
  
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I am not a WOLFER and i will BET pretty high on gypsy soul against other posters on here,i personally have met and gambled with him (years ago) and he simply loves to play and gamble...is not nowhere near being a champion or even decent shortstop...but he isn,t helpless either,just loves to play against regular joes,like he is...it isn,t an act or bluffing,just post up and play him if you think that.
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12-06-2019, 09:32 PM

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Twice Filler dogged it in the Sky match....he shot a simple 2-ball, subtle hold for the 4-ball
....couldn’t let go of the cue....had to play safe.
Later game, shot a ball down the rail, another soft hit shot, had to hit it high right to hold it.
....hit center ball instead and froze on the 9-ball to hook himself.

He knows he dogged it....big learning experience...he will learn from this....
...the world is in even more trouble in the next two years...he’ll be tougher.

My opinion, of course
He also set up the 9 ball combo for the US win.

Pressure does funny things. I think he wasn't nervous. More pressure made him change his tempo, the way he thinks through a shot. Where he shot quicker, with less consideration. It's a way to avoid pressure, by allowing the miss. The mind doesn't like work...missing can be the escape.

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12-07-2019, 01:05 AM

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Twice Filler dogged it in the Sky match....he shot a simple 2-ball, subtle hold for the 4-ball
....couldnít let go of the cue....had to play safe.
Later game, shot a ball down the rail, another soft hit shot, had to hit it high right to hold it.
....hit center ball instead and froze on the 9-ball to hook himself.

He knows he dogged it....big learning experience...he will learn from this....
...the world is in even more trouble in the next two years...heíll be tougher.

My opinion, of course
PT, correct me if I'm wrong but, I think your saying we learn from our mistakes.

Like you, I'm certain that Filler learned "a" valuable lesson at the MC.

Having said that, some people have to make the same mistakes many times before they actually learn enough to change. I am curious if his ability to learn and play pool carries over into "life" circumstances that hit us all....such as realizing that just because he is told he is the best, he can and will lose at the very time he least expects it.

With the elites, IMO...failure in general is not a problem but, failing when they don't expect it is extremely hard on all but the true "seasoned" champion.

IMO...regardless of how good he is today, he just hasn't had time to acquire the experience to get in the "gambling box" with Shane unless it's a tournament type format where he can kill quick and leave.

Like you though, I believe Filler we be something to see after a fee more "lessons".

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