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Chinese Kung Fu and other Chinese myths busted - 10-31-2019, 08:51 PM

Chinese Kung Fu is proven as a failure in contact combat sports like MMA.

Is this the beginning of Chinese Mysticism ending?

Even herbal remedies built in ancient Chinese practices have failed to be proven in the modern world. Other Chinese practices like cupping and acupuncture have little purpose in standard healing practices.

How much of ancient Chinese knowledge is built on unproven practices?

Censorship seems to be the only proven practice. In the midst of attempting to censor people of non-Chinese citizenship, its practice is being received much like the revered Kung Fu. Censorship is a required convention to do business with China that makes little sense and serves no purpose.

The mysticism creates a belief of experts in their chosen field. However alternative belief is proving how poorly some of their experts are.

Is Chinese mysticism a strong system for turning innovators into fools? Where critical thought and innovation encounter a belief system, the Chinese belief system creates legends for ordinary people with ordinary level skills. The Kung Fu masters can barely match up against low level MMA fighters.

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10-31-2019, 09:12 PM

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Chinese Kung Fu is proven as a failure in contact combat sports like MMA.

Is this the beginning of Chinese Mysticism ending?

Even herbal remedies built in ancient Chinese practices have failed to be proven in the modern world. Other Chinese practices like cupping and acupuncture have little purpose in standard healing practices.

How much of ancient Chinese knowledge is built on unproven practices?

Censorship seems to be the only proven practice. In the midst of attempting to censor people of non-Chinese citizenship, its practice is being received much like the revered Kung Fu. Censorship is a required convention to do business with China that makes little sense and serves no purpose.

The mysticism creates a belief of experts in their chosen field. However alternative belief is proving how poorly some of their experts are.

Is Chinese mysticism a strong system for turning innovators into fools? Where critical thought and innovation encounter a belief system, the Chinese belief system creates legends for ordinary people with ordinary level skills. The Kung Fu masters can barely match up against low level MMA fighters.
Well... They call it martial "arts" for a reason. MMA is ugly, vicious, gladiatorial fighting. I'd much rather watch an action movie with Kung Fu action, rather than an MMA street fight.

I don't think the fight scene in The Matrix plays as well with Morpheus mounting Neo attempting to choke him out with his own Gi.

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MMA is the 9 ball of martial "arts".
  
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10-31-2019, 10:39 PM

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There are two problems with this conclusion... - 10-31-2019, 11:56 PM

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Chinese Kung Fu is proven as a failure in contact combat sports like MMA.

Is this the beginning of Chinese Mysticism ending?

Even herbal remedies built in ancient Chinese practices have failed to be proven in the modern world. Other Chinese practices like cupping and acupuncture have little purpose in standard healing practices.

How much of ancient Chinese knowledge is built on unproven practices?

Censorship seems to be the only proven practice. In the midst of attempting to censor people of non-Chinese citizenship, its practice is being received much like the revered Kung Fu. Censorship is a required convention to do business with China that makes little sense and serves no purpose.

The mysticism creates a belief of experts in their chosen field. However alternative belief is proving how poorly some of their experts are.

Is Chinese mysticism a strong system for turning innovators into fools? Where critical thought and innovation encounter a belief system, the Chinese belief system creates legends for ordinary people with ordinary level skills. The Kung Fu masters can barely match up against low level MMA fighters.
The first problem with this is the same problem with most traditional martial arts.

There aren't a bunch of traditional martial artists out there banging it out there in the streets. They don't know how to actually apply the technics they are learning.

There are some that do, but they are few and far between.

There are some Tae Kwon Do (original, not sport) experts who tear it up in the octagon.

That was the difference between modern times and say Ip man's time.

Back in Ip man's time (which was also the time Morihei Ueshiba) they regularly full contact sparred with each other, allowing them to truly learn how to apply their art.

Moriehei, after developing aikido, regularly challenged Kendo experts and beat them with bare hands against swords.

The problem is not being able to apply it in practice, in a practical manner.

That's why Jiu jitsu has an advantage in the ring (btw, it's very dangerous to try and use jiu jitsu in the street).

I've studied many martial arts over the last 38 years including BJJ from Cadu, a multiple time world champion. There are no BETTER martial arts, there are different martial arts and better individual practicioners of them.

Some martial arts lend themselves better suited for specific instances and fortunately for the gracies, BJJ allows for full application in practice every day, which makes them much more likely to better apply the techniques they study more readily.

It doesn't make them a superior art on their face though.

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11-01-2019, 01:54 AM

I'm not too sure about all this, but I can pretty much figure that in a real bare hands combat fight with no rules of the cage, a serious practitionaer of Kung Fu San Soo might leave his opponent fighting for his life in about 5 seconds. It's an adaptation of no holds barred Kung Fu but does not follow animal form. In the street, there are no rules... at least not if I am defending my life and limb from an unknown assailant.

The basic premise of San Soo is there are no rules in a fight, so the style is techniques oriented to remove a threat as quickly as possible through seizing the initiative and keeping the opponent off balance.

Not a lot of full contact sparring in san soo.

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Kung fu san soo... - 11-01-2019, 02:05 AM

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I'm not too sure about all this, but I can pretty much figure that in a real bare hands combat fight with no rules of the cage, a serious practitionaer of Kung Fu San Soo might leave his opponent fighting for his life in about 5 seconds. It's an adaptation of no holds barred Kung Fu. In the street, there are no rules... at least not if I am defending my life and limb from an unknown assailant.
Kung fu san soo is one of the styles of kung fu that I studied and you make a good point. You have to understand what kung fu san soo was.

It was designed to maximize the utility of Kung fu, and as such it implements methods of ending the fight that aren't allowed in the octogon. Eye gouging, throat ripping, etc...

There are several martial arts that focus on eliminating the opponent that would have difficulty in a controlled environment like a ring.

That's why I pointed out how dangerous it is to use BJJ in a street fight and that BJJ is NOT the best no holds barred martial art.

You do not want to grapple with someone in the street if you can help it. If they have a knife, or anything sharp or pointy for that matter, it's a good way to gutted or stabbed.

American boxing, or better yet, kick boxing is one of the better modern martial arts to study for self defense. This is because you can get in a ring and find what practically works against an opponent while still being able to maintain relative distance.

I also studied white tiger kung fu, taught by D.K. Who trained kick boxing as well.

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11-01-2019, 02:29 AM

Most martial arts (shaolin, karate, aikido etc) have since been proven to be unreliable at best, and complete bullshit at worst in actual combat. Japanese jujitsu, and judo were among the most useful back then. Then the Gracie family introduced the world to Brazilian jujitsu, and people learned really fast that the "arts" they studied were comparable to dance routines.

MMA combined grappling (ground fighting and submissions) and striking into a combat style that is difficult for an untrained fighter to defend against.

Nowadays, mma is considered a style unto itself. IMO its a great thing in a one on one, or better yet a competition setting. In a bar/street fight etc, it might get you killed however. If you take someone down, and you are dealing with them, their buddies are free to stomp the fook out of you or worse if they choose.

From a street fight perspective, krav maga is one of the strongest things being taught currently. It is essentially Israeli military hand to hand combat.

Here is Bas Rutten and Joe Rogan talking about bullshit martial arts.
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11-01-2019, 02:40 AM

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Kung fu san soo is one of the styles of kung fu that I studied and you make a good point. You have to understand what kung fu san soo was.

It was designed to maximize the utility of Kung fu, and as such it implements methods of ending the fight that aren't allowed in the octogon. Eye gouging, throat ripping, etc...

There are several martial arts that focus on eliminating the opponent that would have difficulty in a controlled environment like a ring.

That's why I pointed out how dangerous it is to use BJJ in a street fight and that BJJ is NOT the best no holds barred martial art.

You do not want to grapple with someone in the street if you can help it. If they have a knife, or anything sharp or pointy for that matter, it's a good way to gutted or stabbed.

American boxing, or better yet, kick boxing is one of the better modern martial arts to study for self defense. This is because you can get in a ring and find what practically works against an opponent while still being able to maintain relative distance.

I also studied white tiger kung fu, taught by D.K. Who trained kick boxing as well.

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"The Kung Fu masters can barely match up against low level MMA fighters."'

LOL! Where is Bruce Lee when you need him?


  
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WTF are you talking about... - 11-01-2019, 03:05 AM

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He swung and he missed. His last statement shows the ignorance from which he founded his preposterous diatribe.

"The Kung Fu masters can barely match up against low level MMA fighters."'

LOL! Where is Bruce Lee when you need him?

I misread this I get what you're saying now... I'm working nights and it's been a long night
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Yeah... - 11-01-2019, 03:21 AM

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He swung and he missed. His last statement shows the ignorance from which he founded his preposterous diatribe.

"The Kung Fu masters can barely match up against low level MMA fighters."'

LOL! Where is Bruce Lee when you need him?

Yeah Bruce Lee was pretty much the founder of mma.

He also used to get into street fights on purpose to hone his skills.
  
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11-01-2019, 03:23 AM

One of the problems with the Martial arts is that they are difficult to practice without killing the ukay or training partner.


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11-01-2019, 05:37 AM

All my life Karate Kid has been a myth!? And the sequels and all the spinoffs!?

What else, the sky isn't really blue on a clear day?

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11-01-2019, 05:40 AM

If Chinese martial arts were so deadly, then military forces would be training soldiers in it. None of the Chinese martial arts are taught to military forces.

https://theweek.com/articles/546034/...giving-kung-fu

Video of Chinese military giving up karate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHsBCey5jvQ

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11-01-2019, 05:47 AM

The message behind Chinese Kung Fu being a legendary combat form is pure garbage.

Chinese culture over hyped something that is combat dancing.

If Chinese culture can't develop fighting styles properly, what else have they been wrong about? Acupuncture? Cupping? Herbal Medicine?

If their own people over estimate their knowledge, then that is sabotaging their own future. Their own future will be incompetent in combat, medicine and innovation.

It is like the CCCP wants people to be confused about what works in the world.
  
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11-01-2019, 05:51 AM

I’ve been watching Kung Fu on tv for years. My favorite episode is the 2 hr pilot. The whole series, pilot included, is currently on Amazon Prime.

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