Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Products Talk > Ask The Cuemaker
Reload this Page When to fit the pin?
Reply
Page 1 of 3 1 23
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
When to fit the pin?
Old
  (#1)
robbycar
Registered
robbycar is on a distinguished road
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 6
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Sydney, Australia
   
When to fit the pin? - 08-28-2020, 11:18 PM

My first butt is ready for final sanding and I am really happy with it so far.

I was thinking I would do the pin next, or is it better to do the finishing and do the pin last?

My reasoning was that I might mark the finish doing it first.

Am I on the right track here?

Rob.
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#2)
JoeyInCali
AzB Silver Member

JoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond repute
 
JoeyInCali's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 24,710
vCash: 4400
iTrader: 81 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: OC, California
   
08-28-2020, 11:40 PM

When you can indicate the collar at .001 or less.
Ponder on that.
When is it the best time to indicate at .001 or less ?
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3)
Ed P
AzB Gold Member
Ed P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond reputeEd P has a reputation beyond repute
 
Ed P's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 38
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Leesburg Florida
   
08-29-2020, 04:45 AM

Robbycar, yes you do run a risk of marring the final surface. However, as JoeyInCali mentioned, accuracy is very important when it comes to the pin. Finish methods and set up also play factors.


Ed Petersen
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4)
Michael Webb
AzB Silver Member
Michael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond reputeMichael Webb has a reputation beyond repute
 
Michael Webb's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 6,561
vCash: 500
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: RI
   
08-29-2020, 05:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by robbycar View Post
My first butt is ready for final sanding and I am really happy with it so far.

I was thinking I would do the pin next, or is it better to do the finishing and do the pin last?

My reasoning was that I might mark the finish doing it first.

Am I on the right track here?

Rob.
Hi Rob
I install my joint screws after my final cut.
Good luck


Best Wishes
Michael Webb
webbcues at cox.net
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5)
Kim Bye
AzB Silver Member
Kim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond reputeKim Bye has a reputation beyond repute
 
Kim Bye's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,277
vCash: 500
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Oslo
   
08-29-2020, 10:15 AM

After final cut is when your cue is dead on center. If you use carbide mandrels, it's easy to maintain perfect concentricity through the finishing process.



Cold silence
has a tendency
to atrophy any
sense of compassion
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6)
whammo57
Kim Walker
whammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond reputewhammo57 has a reputation beyond repute
 
whammo57's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 4,255
vCash: 500
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Near Athens GA
   
08-29-2020, 11:07 AM

after the final cut........ before the finish

Kim


Walker Custom Cues

Southern Cue Systems

http://www.facebook.com/groups/366326706736784/
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7)
BarenbruggeCues
Unregistered User
BarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond reputeBarenbruggeCues has a reputation beyond repute
 
BarenbruggeCues's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 2,374
vCash: 500
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Just past the big Saguaro on the eastern end of the Sonoran Desert right next to the mountain by the dry river bed.
   
08-29-2020, 12:23 PM

Hard to use mandrels without a pin!
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8)
Mcues
AzB Silver Member
Mcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond reputeMcues has a reputation beyond repute
 
Mcues's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,463
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 36 / 100%
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New York
   
08-29-2020, 02:21 PM

After the last cut I do what I call a finishing cut of .005 then the pin is installed.

Mario


The trouble with communication is the illusion that it has taken place.
Mcues3@aol.com

Mcues:

https://www.facebook.com/Mcues-11355...dmin_todo_tour
  
Reply With Quote
pin install
Old
  (#9)
QMAKER
LIVE FREE OR DIE
QMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond reputeQMAKER has a reputation beyond repute
 
QMAKER's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,462
vCash: 2900
iTrader: 39 / 100%
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Covina California
   
pin install - 09-13-2020, 04:11 PM

I install my pins early on around when the joint is .900 and then I turn everything around the pin mounted on centers. I have been doing it that way since my second build in about 1997. Never seen any reason to change and can't see any shortcomings but several benefits. If i'm using a full length core I install the pin in the rough core and turn the core around the pin for perfect
concentricity.


************************************************** **********************************
"Do yourself a Favor and BUY a BREAK CUE from Bob Flynn
at DENALI" Samsarakid24

"Best breaker on the planet", Henchmen 3

" Denali made by Bob Flynn. The best $700 I ever spent on a cue", POCONO



Bob Flynn/Denali Pool Cues
[url]www.denalicues.com
reflynn1@gmail.com
626-705-0340 cell/text
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10)
EL Picos
AzB Silver Member
EL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond repute
 
EL Picos's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 73
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Dec 2019
   
09-15-2020, 07:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by QMAKER View Post
I install my pins early on around when the joint is .900 and then I turn everything around the pin mounted on centers. I have been doing it that way since my second build in about 1997. Never seen any reason to change and can't see any shortcomings but several benefits. If i'm using a full length core I install the pin in the rough core and turn the core around the pin for perfect
concentricity.
You are right, this is the best way for sure!!
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#11)
cueman
AzB Silver Member

cueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond reputecueman has a reputation beyond repute
 
cueman's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 10,460
vCash: 4100
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Aragon, Georgia USA
   
09-15-2020, 07:53 PM

I built cues for a while using the little center hole in the end of the pin as my turning center. That only worked when i got the pin in pretty straight. So once I started using carbide sanding mandrels I started waiting until after tapering to install the pin. Both have their advantages but I am happy waiting until after tapering then using the sanding mandrels.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#12)
JoeyInCali
AzB Silver Member

JoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond repute
 
JoeyInCali's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 24,710
vCash: 4400
iTrader: 81 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: OC, California
   
09-15-2020, 09:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by EL Picos View Post
You are right, this is the best way for sure!!
And what happens if you want to thread the collar with your screw sticking out some 1.25" ?
You have two inch long thread mill ?

If the core warps, you just wasted a screw .

Joint screw install after the final turn is one of those setups and skill you will eventually have to learn .
What if the screw gets bent ? What if the screw has no center hole like the Uniloc QR?

Last edited by JoeyInCali; 09-15-2020 at 10:02 PM.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#13)
EL Picos
AzB Silver Member
EL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond reputeEL Picos has a reputation beyond repute
 
EL Picos's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 73
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Dec 2019
   
09-15-2020, 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyInCali View Post
And what happens if you want to thread the collar with your screw sticking out some 1.25" ?
You have two inch long thread mill ?

If the core warps, you just wasted a screw .

Joint screw install after the final turn is one of those setups and skill you will eventually have to learn .
What if the screw gets bent ? What if the screw has no center hole like the Uniloc QR?
Sorry I dont have the time to explain all the most accurate methods, but I dont need a center hole in the pin to put anythings between the center, I always work with a steady rest and special tool adaptor that I made myself.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#14)
JoeyInCali
AzB Silver Member

JoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond reputeJoeyInCali has a reputation beyond repute
 
JoeyInCali's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 24,710
vCash: 4400
iTrader: 81 / 100%
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: OC, California
   
09-15-2020, 11:30 PM

oh boy......

Last edited by JoeyInCali; 09-15-2020 at 11:46 PM.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#15)
CuesDirectly
AzB Silver Member
CuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond reputeCuesDirectly has a reputation beyond repute
 
CuesDirectly's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,082
vCash: 500
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Are-We-Gone (Oregon)
   
09-16-2020, 04:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyInCali View Post
oh boy......
No kidding, I will back Joey on this one.


----------------------------------------------



David Brainard, custom Cuemaker
My website is CuesDirectly.com
Email, CuesDirectly@gmail.com
Facebook under both names
503 930-7776 5am -5pm West Coast time
  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 3 1 23

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.