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Pictures/Video - 09-29-2019, 06:46 AM

I believe you Dean! If the cue still works please have someone video it then post it please. Let us know if using it on a different butt produces the same results. Have fun. Thanks.


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the draw cue is for real - 09-29-2019, 07:36 AM

This cue did draw the ball more than any cue I have ever seen. When Dean
brought it to the pool room, he said draw the ball with this cue it is unreal.
It was, Bob Vanover hit a few balls and was amazed. Dick Lane the great
straight pool player, who could never draw his ball two feet got the same result.
I took it back to a 9 foot Gold Crown and played with it for a little while. It spun
the ball so much it was hard for me to play with. It had a VERY whippy shaft,
about 12 1/2 as I remember. Like Dean said I called Josey and had him make
me one, but it was just a regular sneaky. It does not just draw better than any
other cue, it is much more than that. I know it sounds crazy but it is true, but
I also realize that some on here would not believe it no matter what, so Dean
would be wasting his time trying to convince them.
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09-29-2019, 09:07 AM

There's no way to hit the CB on the same spot and increase spin without increasing speed in the same proportion, so it's not possible for one cue to spin the ball more than another (i.e., to get more spin-to-speed, which is what's needed for more spin effect).

But it is possible for a cue to deliver a little more force to the CB with the same stroke speed - and a phenolic resin ferrule might have enough density/stiffness compared with others to do that, and that matters when the CB hits the OB pretty full.

When the Cb hits the OB pretty full, it loses most/all of its speed but it doesn't lose much spin, so adding RPMs by hitting harder makes the spin effect greater - and this is most obvious with follow/draw shots where the OB is hit very full.

Once wishful thinking is eliminated that would be my guess for an explanation.

Unfortunately, the same ferrule qualities probably increase squirt a lot.

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09-29-2019, 09:50 AM

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There's no way to hit the CB on the same spot and increase spin without increasing speed in the same proportion, so it's not possible for one cue to spin the ball more than another (i.e., to get more spin-to-speed, which is what's needed for more spin effect).

But it is possible for a cue to deliver a little more force to the CB with the same stroke speed - and a phenolic resin ferrule might have enough density/stiffness compared with others to do that, and that matters when the CB hits the OB pretty full.

When the Cb hits the OB pretty full, it loses most/all of its speed but it doesn't lose much spin, so adding RPMs by hitting harder makes the spin effect greater - and this is most obvious with follow/draw shots where the OB is hit very full.

Once wishful thinking is eliminated that would be my guess for an explanation.

Unfortunately, the same ferrule qualities probably increase squirt a lot.

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In some sense you could conceivably tie "squirt" and spin together. I am not a rocket scientist but...The heavier ferrule would impart more "inertia/force/spin" to the cue ball on a pure strike, all things being equal. That being said, I would agree with you that line/control could be compromised a bit, if the intended spot on the cue ball is not precisely struck.


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09-29-2019, 09:57 AM

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The heavier ferrule would impart more "inertia/force/spin" to the cue ball
Maybe a little more force, speed and RPMs, but not more "spin" (more spin-to-speed) - except after the CB hits the OB pretty full, as I described above.

And the same effect can be produced with any stick/ferrule simply by hitting a little harder.

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P.S. Another effect of more squirt could be a more "level" hit on the CB with draw - because the extra squirt "redirects" the cue's force from slightly downward to more level. This could have an effect on how much draw spin is rubbed off on the way to the OB - and it couldn't be produced just by hitting harder.

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09-29-2019, 10:12 AM

Dean, is it possible that you guys just happened on a freshly waxed CB? If someone used something similar to Johnson’s Paste Wax that would for sure increase the draw significantly.
  
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09-29-2019, 12:10 PM

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I have the idea that it must be the shaft or ferrule . . .
Dean,
-- Have you not considered that something is unusual about the tip's material, or the adhesive used in bonding the tip to the ferrule?

-- Also, be sure to have someone post a video showing the cue's uncanny performance, preferably showing several different players getting amazing results with it.

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09-29-2019, 12:48 PM

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Maybe a little more force, speed and RPMs, but not more "spin" (more spin-to-speed) - except after the CB hits the OB pretty full, as I described above.

And the same effect can be produced with any stick/ferrule simply by hitting a little harder.

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chgo

P.S. Another effect of more squirt could be a more "level" hit on the CB with draw - because the extra squirt "redirects" the cue's force from slightly downward to more level. This could have an effect on how much draw spin is rubbed off on the way to the OB - and it couldn't be produced just by hitting harder.
What I was trying to relay, was that you would, by simple way of mass, impart more strike/force to the cueball with the same stroke, all things being equal. Whether or not that is enough to generate an inordinate amount of spin, I can't answer...Too many other variables/unknowns.


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09-29-2019, 01:02 PM

I have a cue that actually talks to me while I am shooting. It says things like:

"why the f**k did you shoot that shot like that?"

"why did you put so much left on that shot?"

"what the hell were you thinking?"

"you've hit that shot a millions times, why do you keep on thinking it will work?"

etc, etc, etc...…….


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I have a cue that actually talks to me while I am shooting. It says things like:

"why the f**k did you shoot that shot like that?"

"why did you put so much left on that shot?"

"what the hell were you thinking?"

"you've hit that shot a millions times, why do you keep on thinking it will work?"

etc, etc, etc...…….
I've owned several of your cues first cousins.


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09-29-2019, 01:31 PM

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i am glad you find this unbelievable

I was playing with Jerry franklin,I hit a cut shot fairly easy
it looked like a soft masse' shot in reverse

Jerry handed me his tulip wood south west and played
the rest of our day about 2 hours with my Josey

Jerry had a huge grin on his face,it was unreal

It was not meant to be anything but a sneaky pete

Jack potter ,of Libra cue fame can make the same report

Dennis Glenn was so impressed he asked for me to put it
in his collection,which I did until next week and I am borrowing it

if this cue still does it,honestly some of you guys would need to come to dallas to see it

I could draw better than Mike Massey,and i have no stroke

i know you guys think i am crazy
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Some cues draw better than others....my knowledge is mostly empirical...
...but I’m thinking it might be what I call spine...I’ve had strong cues that were dead...
...the ones I’ve liked whip...but they whip QUICK...not slow and lazy like a pro taper.

I bought a cue in Cincinnati in ‘78 that I could draw three quarters of a table length
farther than any other cue,,,it had an ivory ferrule 13mm...as usual, I had the ferrule
chopped and shaft retapered to a 12mm....it still had the hit.

The ferrule material gives the cue a soft hit...WWII vintage...never swells.

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The Black on the left.....,ferrule’s been on for over 20 years...
...the Joss on the right...ferrule’s been on since 1980...
..both are still tight.

The cue I bought in Cincinnati was a Gus...some cues are magic....
...it’s the arrow AND the Indian


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09-29-2019, 01:34 PM

only things that make it easier to draw back.

hitting lower
thin shaft to get lower
more speed
heavier stick
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09-29-2019, 02:48 PM

with different players from Vanover to Dick Lane
Jack Potter,Dennis Glenn,Dean Campbell,Jerry Franklin

in different pool halls,different states, different players
everyone mentioned got way more draw on the cue ball

I have trouble drawing my ball,I got curves coming right back at me

Jerry franklin couldn't believe his eyes

you guys are wrong about this

you are saying it is impossible,we say we saw it happen

just in case the cue still works are any of you willing to be $10,000
that it doesn't.

Now I am going to make sure before I bet,but that shouldn't matter to you if it
is impossible,the fact that I see it doesn't matter to you

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09-29-2019, 02:59 PM

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What I was trying to relay, was that you would, by simple way of mass, impart more strike/force to the cueball with the same stroke, all things being equal. Whether or not that is enough to generate an inordinate amount of spin, I can't answer...Too many other variables/unknowns.
Oh, I get you now. That's what I was saying too - more force can make a difference in after-collision spin, especially for fuller hits.

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09-29-2019, 03:03 PM

It sounds like we're being set up for a group buy...haven't we seen this before. 🙄
  
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