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10-01-2019, 02:09 PM

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... Ultimately, I'd say go with what you like, but if you care about such things like resell value I'd stick [with] a Gold Crown ...
A huge issue with GCs is that many people, including some wives, think they are as ugly as sin. Pool players don't think that because they grew up on them and they are like family. Somewhat like your uncle Fester.


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A huge issue with GCs is that many people, including some wives, think they are as ugly as sin. Pool players don't think that because they grew up on them and they are like family. Somewhat like your uncle Fester.
Agreed! Which is the exact reason I haven't been able to convince the wife to let me bring one in our house yet. lol
  
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10-01-2019, 02:13 PM

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Agreed! Which is the exact reason I haven't been able to convince the wife to let me bring one in our house yet. lol
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Well, does her family come over? You should ask for equal time.
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10-01-2019, 02:16 PM

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Tables like that in 8ft. can be found all over for $2,200-2,500. There basically charging a grand+ to rout in the logos.
Yes they are. It's just the nature of the beast with licensed products. Anything with a team logo is more expensive than the same thing without a logo. And sometimes it is worth it for those of us with a mental illness.

If these $2,500 tables are decent tables, then I guess this is a decent table with an upcharge for the team design.

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You don't have to base your table purchase on the logo that's on the table when you buy it. Felt is easily replaced by a table mechanic so if you're going to buy a table and have it installed in your house (or wherever) I'd suggest getting a good table first and foremost and then order felt with whatever design or logo you prefer to put on that. There's all kinds of crazy felt designs out there these days. Not many of them will play as well as a Simonis, Champion, or other tournament level felt, but if a specific design is what you have in mind there's all sorts of stuff out there and you'll be able to find what you want. Most mechanics can order specific cloth for you from whatever vendors they're associated with or you can purchase your own and have them install it for you. Depends on the mechanic and what they're willing to do. Just be up front with them about what you're looking for.

One thing I'd point out with regard to the type/brand of table you end up going with is that if you get something like a Gold Crown the advantage there is that you'll be more able to recoup more of your investment should you decide you don't want the table any longer down the road. Gold Crown tables are going to sell for more on the used market than anything else you're likely to find.

Ultimately, I'd say go with what you like, but if you care about such things like resell value I'd stick a Gold Crown like these guys have already suggested.
I know I can get the logo felt and put it on any table, but this table has the logos carved into the wood. It is something a mentally ill person like me would really love to have in his home. But like I said, if it is pure crap (and it doesn't sound like it) I wanted to know.

I'm not worried about resale value. With the USC logos carved into it, I know it's only going to be appealing to others suffering from the same mental illness I have. So if I ever need to get rid of it I know I may not get anything for it.

Good advice regarding installation. Before I buy, I will find out who is doing the installation. And if it's not an expert I'll find someone who is to do the install. What kind of questions should I ask?

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A huge issue with GCs is that many people, including some wives, think they are as ugly as sin. Pool players don't think that because they grew up on them and they are like family. Somewhat like your uncle Fester.
Considering where this table is going, this would be an issue for me as well. Probably another mental illness...

It's not going to be hidden away in a game room, it's going to end up being a centerpiece of the house in a room that is visible from all directions. And it's the main entertaining room.

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10-01-2019, 02:20 PM

It will be fine for what you want.

I'm a "serious" pool player, and I started out with a similar furniture style table. I did move to a Gold Crown, and it's not what you want from the sounds of it. Description states solid wood frame and slate with a backer. You'll be just fine.

The only thing I'll say, is you need to have it installed correctly. That's the crux of the decision. No idea who Amazon may send.


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10-01-2019, 02:24 PM

These tables are sold on Amazon but not by Amazon.

Anyway, nobody is selling the USC version on Amazon, so I'll be ordering from a website that specializes in pool tables and gaming supplies. My guess is these guys use qualified local installers (I'm in LA) but I will make sure the install is done right even if I have to hire my own installer.
  
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10-01-2019, 03:50 PM

It's interesting there are zero reviews on Amazon. For that price the vendor ought to be able to give you references, hopefully someone within driving distance who might let you look. Maybe you'll also get luck and find a mechanic who will install it who might go with you (for $$) and take a knowledgeable look.

I bought a table from a less known manufacturer and after the fact have discovered all the things that could have gone wrong; in fact I think I got lucky, but it has given me an appreciation for how many subtle things a manufacturer can do wrong that you will eventually regret. Getting first hand advice (rather than guesses which most here are giving) should be high on your list.
  
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10-01-2019, 08:16 PM

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It's interesting there are zero reviews on Amazon. For that price the vendor ought to be able to give you references, hopefully someone within driving distance who might let you look. Maybe you'll also get luck and find a mechanic who will install it who might go with you (for $$) and take a knowledgeable look.

I bought a table from a less known manufacturer and after the fact have discovered all the things that could have gone wrong; in fact I think I got lucky, but it has given me an appreciation for how many subtle things a manufacturer can do wrong that you will eventually regret. Getting first hand advice (rather than guesses which most here are giving) should be high on your list.
I like the suggestion to ask for references. I'll call and see if the manufacturer will give me any. I'm not surprised there are no reviews on Amazon, I doubt many people are buying pool tables there. But I did find one online review from this past March. Sounds like they are at least using billiard specialists for installation rather than regular Joes.

I recently purchased a University of Michigan logo pool table from Holland Bar Stool Company and was delighted with the entire process. I did on-line research in advance and HBSC the best value on comparable items. Rick and the Sales team were courteous, informative and low pressure insuring I understood all the factors required to insure my final product choice would meet my expectations. The under table, retractable storage shelf was a great option for me and something I would recommend to others purchasing a pool table.

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10-01-2019, 08:49 PM

USCPSYCO said “My guess is these guys use qualified local installers”.

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10-02-2019, 03:59 AM

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You may be missing the point. I *WANT* this table because of the logos carved into the table. If it's on the pricey side, that's OK as long as it is a quality table. I just don't want to spend this kind of money on junk.

As a major USC fan with quite a few USC-related features in my house, this is going to be a conversation piece as much as anything else. And it's also the centerpiece of my den so form is as important as function.

If it isn't obvious, I'm a very casual player. Can't remember the last time I played but I'm sure I'll play more if I actually have a pool table in my house. I don't need the "best" pool table for the money but from my previous research, I know there are a lot of crappy tables out there and I'm trying to avoid buying crap. A lot of times, when companies put logos on products, they are sub-par products and I don't want to fall into that trap.

Let's say I buy a Gold Crown, for my education, what would be the benefit other than price? Thank you.
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10-02-2019, 04:31 AM

As others have said, all of these "home" type tables will not play as well as a tried and true commercial table. What I mean by this is that the rebound angles off of the cushions won't be quite right, the profile and height of the cushions might not be perfect, the speed of the table will play slow (even with good cloth) so you'll have to hit balls harder in order to get the proper reactions (which leads to bad habits).

Having said all of that if your intention is just to bang a few balls around with your friends and family this table with work perfectly fine for you. However if you really ever plan to get serious about pool and improve your game, this is not the table for you.

About 12 years ago I bought a presidential billiards table that I paid pretty good money for and thought I was buying a good table, it looks awesome but really plays like crap anymore, even with the cloth upgraded to simonis 860. It wasn't until my first night ever playing league on a diamond table that I realized how poorly my table played. After that first night of league I put my table up for sale and I am now waiting for a new diamond table to be delivered.

After playing on those diamonds for a few weeks now, I fell back in love with the game of pool. I always tried to play some of the shots I saw the pro's do on TV/Youtube but I could never get the right action off the rails, I always thought it was I just didn't have the ability. I was wrong, it was the table i was playing on (dead rails).

obviously my home table isn't exactly what you plan on purchasing, but 95% of all those home tables play pretty poorly, they are designed for aesthetics, not play-ability.

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10-02-2019, 04:42 AM

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Hello!

Years ago I almost bought a pool table and did a ton of research about pool tables (based on my join date, must have been 2014). I know there are a lot of factors to consider and I've forgotten all of it: surface types, number of pieces, surface thickness...

I'm back in the market for a pool table but this time I have my sights set on a specific pool table and if it's a good table I won't spend any time shopping around or re-educating myself. I would really appreciate it if I can get some pros and cons of this specific table - https://www.amazon.com/Minnesota-8-L...language=en_US

I'll be getting it from a different vendor for $3500 but I posted the Amazon product page because some of the photos show the table's construction which may be useful to the advice I'm seeking. Additional info from the other vendor that is not on Amazon "Coordinating, embossed leather pockets with riveted nets match the look of the table and profile of the rail. The Diamond Pearl Sites are seamlessly inlaid into each of the rails for precision aim capabilities."

I love this style and if there aren't any red flags I'll buy it, but if there are I'll have to expand the scope and start learning about pool tables all over again. Would really love it if I could get some feedback on this table.

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You are basically buying a "home" style table here and not a "commercial" table like you see in poolrooms. For your purposes it should be fine. From appearances alone it looks to be a solidly built table (No particle board or plywood) and the 1" slate is a requirement you really want. I live in Los Angeles (the South Bay) and I'd love to take you to Billiards and Barstools which is located near me and has a full range of quality tables on their showroom floor. I suspect they can also get you a table with the USC logos included. They've been in business for over forty years and have good table mechanics who know how to properly set up a table. I've gone to them frequently for everything from tip repairs to table moves.

I think you are in the right price range to get a good quality home table. I'm just not sure your best move is to buy one sight unseen from a dealer you know little about (I would want to see some good references). You might get anything!
Like I said I'd be willing to go along with you and give you my own evaluation of what you're buying. Just PM me if you're interested.


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I love this style and if there aren't any red flags I'll buy it, but if there are I'll have to expand the scope and start learning about pool tables all over again. Would really love it if I could get some feedback on this table.

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I'll try to be objective. GoldCrowns and Diamonds are probably the best tables made. Aside from that. My buddy bought a Fisher table based on its looks and loved it. I have other friends bought tables based on price and enjoyed theirs also. The installations were ALMOST level. These guys are not serious players and could not tell the difference between the one they had and ANY table. They were strictly social players that were satisfied with their game and had no plans to improve (lessons, drill, etc).

The table you are looking at. If you want it buy it. Our opinion does not matter. Get it and enjoy it. As for me I did not know how good a GoldCrown was until I bought one.
My first table was a Gandy Hustler...pressboard frame, fuzzy cloth, brand X rails...I loved that table in spite of its flaws. At that time I could not tell the difference. I had nothing to compare it with. Good luck whatever you end up with.

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