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07-01-2019, 07:13 PM

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07-01-2019, 07:14 PM

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Well, to be fair, they never really understood the objections to the system's claims.
That's impossible.

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07-02-2019, 04:08 AM

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Spider and ENGLISH! were banned and cookie and Low500 (that I know of) stopped posting at the same time.
I read this forum most every day, but somehow I missed this news. Please clue me in. How do we know who was banned? How do we know which threads were deleted?
  
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07-02-2019, 04:54 AM

Consider this.........a good discussion is subjective......plain and simple......so whose subjectivity is applied to what is considered a good discussion?

Iím sure there are some that had good discussions with English and Spidey, and some that didnít have good discussion with them.

So, now the ones that had good discussion with them, can not do so any more because of someoneís subjectivity.

As far as the name calling, rants, personal attacks.........so what. Sure, it does get old at times, but so what. It really isnít that big a deal.

I know enough about who posts on here to know which post to read or not. English had some good post, so did Spidey, at times. And now, those that did enjoy their post, can no longer do so because of someoneís subjectivity of what a good discussion is.

I hate censorship.

FWIW.......I like to question people in ways to make them think about their position.......for example.....my high school nephews would like to ride motorcycles.....their parents.....no ****ing way.......your gonna get hurt. So, one day I asked my sister-in-law this question, but not in front of her kids.....thatís a parent respect thing.

ďYour oldest was almost paralyzed in a wrestling match, your second just got beaned in the head with a 100 mph fast ball.......and motorcycling is dangerous?Ē

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I read this forum most every day, but somehow I missed this news. Please clue me in. How do we know who was banned? How do we know which threads were deleted?
I don’t know about deleted threads, but you can tell who’s been banned by looking at their avatar - it says “BANNED” under their screen name.

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07-02-2019, 05:38 AM

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So, now the ones that had good discussion with them, can not do so any more because of someoneís subjectivity.
It's not just about subjectivity. Sometimes its a matter of violating the terms of service.
  
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07-02-2019, 05:58 AM

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It's not just about subjectivity. Sometimes its a matter of violating the terms of service.
But then again....isn’t the formation of any TOS based on the subjectivity of the person writing the TOS?

Critical thinking can be your path to enlightenment.....

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07-02-2019, 06:05 AM

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Well, to be fair, they never really understood the objections to the system's claims. And they have a vested interest in defending the claims - they're an important part of the system's value, maybe even what makes it work for them.

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I always thought that was a big part of it.

By being an advocate, a couple of guys were able to carve out a small bit of notoriety for themselves in the pool world.

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07-02-2019, 06:10 AM

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But then again....isnít the formation of any TOS based on the subjectivity of the person writing the TOS?
Outlawing murder is also based on the subjectivity of those making up the law. At some point subjectivity becomes a rule or law that everybody agrees to following if they want to participate in society. Don't confuse "subjectivity" with "whim."

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07-02-2019, 06:33 AM

It still doesn’t change the fact that on this forum, banning is purely subjective because of the how selective the forum rules....TOS are applied. And when only one person is the one deciding.......well, it takes a very special skill to be totally objective, which is what is required to be fair about bannings.

Oh......about murder........it depends on what county, society one lives one if it is right or wrong......and it still subjective. If murder wasn’t subjective, there would never be any murder trials.

Btw...........English and Spidey aren’t murders, just opinionated people and there are those that just didnt want to tolerate them on here. I was able to tolerate them, why others couldn’t, well I just wont speculate.......

I’ve seen this happen else where.....a small sore of regulars wants to control the forum to their liking and their liking alone.
  
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07-02-2019, 07:27 AM

The topic was the subjectivity of what is considered a good discussion on a forum. Points and counterpoints were made.

You know when someone runs out of valid counterpoints when ilrelvent topics are brought into the discussion.
  
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The topic was the subjectivity of what is considered a good discussion on a forum. Points and counterpoints were made.

You know when someone runs out of valid counterpoints when ilrelvent topics are brought into the discussion.
So true. And, like you, I hate censorship also. I didn't have a problem with English or Spider, though Spider did have a tendency to assume things about me that he was just flat wrong on. And he had a tendency to invoke hostile interactions...it's hard not to reply to a smartass that's continually misrepresenting your intentions or character. But I'm with you....censorship is for socialists.


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07-02-2019, 08:55 AM

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I’ve seen this happen else where.....a small sore of regulars wants to control the forum to their liking and their liking alone.
The regulars in question were actually people like Low500, Spidey and English, who bludgeoned opponents into submission with 1000-word contentless posts and repeated unhinged personal attacks.

It's unfortunate, but Spider in particular was clearly unable to control himself.
  
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07-02-2019, 08:59 AM

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The regulars in question were actually people like Low500, Spidey and English, who bludgeoned opponents into submission with 1000-word contentless posts and repeated unhinged personal attacks.
Half of spider's hard drive is rsb and azb text.


And I suspect the book is not coming so one or two just bolted out.


  
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How can I say this diplomatically?

June 25 is the date when it appears that a mass exodus has occurred. I thought that was supposed to happen after a book was published, but I guess there's no time like the present. Time will tell. Will the aiming forum become an interesting place for good discussion or will it become irrelevant and deleted? Again, time will tell.

Personally, I think it is worth giving it a shot and I think recent posts like Pat's are a good start.
I don't want to speculate about why they left, or gloat about those who got kicked out. I will say that the aiming forum was super busy in the short time when the "lifers" were paroled....Could be that everyone loves a trainwreck and a good argument, because, at least to me, the quality of the overall discussion (apart from insults) was at best the same as before but probably worse. That being said, I think bans should be reserved for people who actually threaten or menace others. If some guy calls me an idiot on here or even everyone else an idiot, that is to me just an opinion and should not be grounds for a ban. Posts and especially threads should be deleted only rarely and extremely selectiveley, IMO.

If the AZB people were super cynical and hungry for traffic, they should have just let those guys go ape in the forum. I saw guys in here that haven't been here for years and years, and some that have never been in here before. Of course the latter were then promptly chased off, so maybe it would have been a wash. And everyone would have been insulted at least 10 times a day, apart from the CTE crowd, OFC.

I'm not sure what this forum will be like without the fanatics. They make life and pool so wonderfully simple and black-and-white. Without them it's all shades of grey...It might get really boring, but it could also become actually productive. Time will tell, I guess.

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