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08-28-2019, 08:01 AM

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Again....the pockets probably had “stacked” shims.
Yes, stacked shims will play dead because the two pieces are not mechanically attached to each other.
Glue will not help because it itself absorbs energy.
Facings were not stacked on the table I played on.


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08-28-2019, 09:06 AM

I almost exclusively use 3/16" 60A neoprene. However, for the rare cases that I use thicker facings, I will use 50A (as it matches the cushion hardness).

1/8" facings are too thin. This is evidenced on any older table that you see. The ends of the rails will be beat up, from repeated ball strikes. 3/16" doesn't completely eliminate this, but it sure helps.


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08-28-2019, 09:42 AM

Thanks for all the info. I really just want to tighten them a bit not radically
  
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08-28-2019, 11:19 AM

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this type of thread is decades old.
The thread about stacking shims and shimming may be hashed over, but the subject of not stacking and using one piece of shim, but thicker I don’t think has been explored.

Otherwise people posting here would have stopped using the terms.....
stacking or adding shims.

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10-06-2019, 05:17 PM

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Thanks for all the info. I really just want to tighten them a bit not radically
I bought trainer bumpers off ebay.
I clip these in all 6 pockets.
Go from 5" to 3.5"
Take these off when i have company come over.
People have more fun sinking pockets than missing on a tight table.
When you play its like shooting into buckets.
Then you just handicap your self with others. Like banking everything or shooting opposite hand.


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10-08-2019, 07:35 AM

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I bought trainer bumpers off ebay.
I clip these in all 6 pockets.
Go from 5" to 3.5"
Take these off when i have company come over.
People have more fun sinking pockets than missing on a tight table.
When you play its like shooting into buckets.
Then you just handicap your self with others. Like banking everything or shooting opposite hand.
If 4 1/2" pockets are buckets after practicing on your table, you should have no problem taking down ANY major tournaments right?....so which ones have you won??
  
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10-08-2019, 07:42 AM

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The thread about stacking shims and shimming may be hashed over, but the subject of not stacking and using one piece of shim, but thicker I don’t think has been explored.

Otherwise people posting here would have stopped using the terms.....
stacking or adding shims.

To Stack, Is To Hack!
A do you know what's so stupid about this whole "pocket tightening thread"??? Its the FACT that most ALL table manufacturers use the same pocket hardware for the .most part, and therefore to get those corner pockets to be 5" wide in the first place, they use WIDER pocket miter angles.....I don't care WHAT the BCA specs say, no one cares!!! Now, when you start extending those facings or even EXTENDING the sub rails....the MOST IMPORTANT thing to correct is the miter angles, or you're going to tighten the pocket openings for sure, but you're also going to close the throat of the pocket at the same time!!!!
  
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10-08-2019, 10:01 AM

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If 4 1/2" pockets are buckets after practicing on your table, you should have no problem taking down ANY major tournaments right?....so which ones have you won??
Not a single one.
Just giving the op a option to the problem.


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10-09-2019, 07:57 AM

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A standard facing is 60 durometer. The facing serves a purpose and is harder than the cushion by design. If the facing surface has too much rebound it will spit balls out like crazy. There is only one proper way to tighten up pockets and stacking facings isn't it regardless of how soft/hard they are. Don't you think if your theory were plausible it would be in practice? Stack away but the table won't play right. If you want to tighten the pockets you have to extend the subrails and install new rubber. There's no shortcut.
Why is there not a "like" or "I approve of this reply" option here This explains it very nicely. Better than thickly shimmed tables never play right, anyways.
  
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10-09-2019, 08:01 AM

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I have yet to see a 5” Pocket shimmed to 4.5” without it being noticeable. Some are better than others. I had a GC4 that was shimmed to 4.5 and it was done pretty well but it played funny trying those tight 1P banks. For 8&9 ball it was fine.



I dont this one looks odd shimmed to 4 3/8", its a GC1 that started life as a 5"-5 1/4" pocket.
  
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10-09-2019, 07:21 PM

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I dont this one looks odd shimmed to 4 3/8", its a GC1 that started life as a 5"-5 1/4" pocket.
I can see a noticeable notch on the nose where the 3 ball sits. The shim by the 1 ball is much better.
  
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10-24-2019, 04:41 PM

Maybe they can make that pocket jig for pool too. https://youtu.be/zbHyD5C5NG8?t=237


  
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10-24-2019, 05:12 PM

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Maybe they can make that pocket jig for pool too. https://youtu.be/zbHyD5C5NG8?t=237
I invented a pocket jig already, only problem is, only a few mechanics in this country have the tools needed to perform the pocket work, so what good is the pocket jig?
  
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10-24-2019, 10:15 PM

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I invented a pocket jig already, only problem is, only a few mechanics in this country have the tools needed to perform the pocket work, so what good is the pocket jig?
Well, you would think the fools would buy the right tools.


  
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10-25-2019, 06:42 AM

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Well, you would think the fools would buy the right tools.
Not to many installers are interested in being table mechanics, but all are interested in getting paid!! Why are there so many complaints about how the tables play at Hard Times in Sacramento, who's been working on them since it opened?? Why would they now need to be replaced?
  
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