No, Most people do not want to play pool on big pockets.
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FYI :The pockets on a 7' Diamond are also Pro Cut unless you order them differently. Never seen a Blue Label with league cut pockets.
1. Because that is the way I set up the poll
2. I am not. Sorry that is your opinion about my intent with the topic.
3. See Lawnboys comment.
Bill Stroud and I had a conversation off of the other thread about 5" pockets via private message because I said I was done with that thread.
He said that tight pockets have no place in pool. I told him that from my experience in the field and data from my customer base(mostly players or people trying to be and not recreational players) that they think tight pockets definitely do belong in pool.
When you order a 7' Diamond it is standard Pro Cut, you have to ask for the other.
Yes!
I'm not voting and it's not necessarily because I disagree with the op but rather because, imo, if you're gonna put up a poll it shouldn't be asking the question with such heavy influence in a particular direction.
again, just imo.
but the topic discussion is good.
best,
brian kc
I knew how the poll was going to go. I am in the business and should know. The poll shows that people who are into pool like tighter pockets.
No need. The standard is Pro Cut. I know there is a crowd that likes tighter. I like one pocket on what I call Super Pro Cut= 4.25" corners and 4.75" sides.
Funny and a lil extreme, but, I am known to be a lil intense!!!
Thank You!
It’s not so simple...it’s a biased title and a biased poll.
I have gambled on tighter than 4 inch and looser than 5 inch.
The trick is that you’re there to beat the guy you’re playing, not the equipment.
The poll didn’t allow for multiple choices...I would’ve taken both.
The second you looked at the poll you knew what I thought.
Just like I KNEW how people would vote.
Allowing people to vote both ways cancels out their vote.
Trent from Toledo
It was meant to be funny. Just choose which you prefer and stop trying to psycho analize the OP. He is beyond help
Given the two choices, I choose 4 1/2. I like 4 1/4 on 7 foot, 4 1/2 on 8 foot, and 4 3/4 on 9's. I think it makes 7 and 8 foot tables play closer to a 9.
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Growing up in So Cal this thread doesn't even make sense. If you can't do it on a 4" flat pocket, you can't do it.
In the snooker world, to be world legal, the pockets have to fit a template....
..3.5 inches at the fall...and the jaws have to fit the template snug.
I suggested to RKC to make a template for pool....4.5 with no deep shelves.
But I’ll still make a game on anything...if I think I can win.
I would order it differently
I would have to do some cyphering but I would want it to be as difficult to make a ball from two diamonds out on the seven footer as it would be to make a ball from two diamonds out on the blue label nine foot diamonds I usually play on. It is a thought but I probably wouldn't make it as hard to pocket balls on as the snooker tables I like so well too!
If and when I have room for a bigger than seven foot table I will probably put in a ten footer, pool or snooker. I favor that size real estate and if push came to shove I would admit I don't really care that much about pocket size. Always fun to kick somebody's butt on a table while they are complaining the pockets are too big!
Hu
I would have to do some cyphering but I would want it to be as difficult to make a ball from two diamonds out on the seven footer as it would be to make a ball from two diamonds out on the blue label nine foot diamonds I usually play on. It is a thought but I probably wouldn't make it as hard to pocket balls on as the snooker tables I like so well too!
If and when I have room for a bigger than seven foot table I will probably put in a ten footer, pool or snooker. I favor that size real estate and if push came to shove I would admit I don't really care that much about pocket size. Always fun to kick somebody's butt on a table while they are complaining the pockets are too big!
Hu
None of this has anything to do with the pool. It is one or the other, thats it
Trent from Toledo:thumbup:
I don't regard 4.5" as "tight". Perhaps because of my preference to play on Diamonds.
The problem is 4.0" pockets, or even somewhat smaller. I respect the skills and friendship of the Filipino contingent, especially in Cali, but most of them believe any pockets - any on a 9 footer - over 4" are too big.
This is a problem for the recreational player, even most B players.
Rec players like to see balls drop. Balls don't easily fall with 4.0" triple-shimmed pockets (shims are another Oprah episode).
At 4.5", you can still create some angle when needed. By no means are they buckets, but very playable.
I fully recognize other factors - angle, shelf depth, etc - but as you approach 4.0" the game changes, and not necessarily for the better.
-von
The problem is 4.0" pockets, or even somewhat smaller. I respect the skills and friendship of the Filipino contingent, especially in Cali, but most of them believe any pockets - any on a 9 footer - over 4" are too big.
This is a problem for the recreational player, even most B players.
Rec players like to see balls drop. Balls don't easily fall with 4.0" triple-shimmed pockets (shims are another Oprah episode).
At 4.5", you can still create some angle when needed. By no means are they buckets, but very playable.
I fully recognize other factors - angle, shelf depth, etc - but as you approach 4.0" the game changes, and not necessarily for the better.
-von
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You neglected to give the "Don't give a rat's ass" option!:thumbup:
I can still hear the thump of the balls hitting the back of the several layer thick saddle leather pockets on the old ten footers I learned on. They were what I started gambling on too. I don't remember anyone having difficulty missing pockets on those tables. Perhaps the best way to tighten pockets is the old way, bet higher and higher until your buttcheeks squinch-up, then the pockets are plenty small! The most I ever bet by a bunch was on one game of barbox eight ball. That game took at least fifteen or twenty minutes, maybe longer.
Bearing in mind you work on the old stuff, a serious question: I used to play on some old ten footers with those heavy leather pockets and somewhere between two and three inch slate. Very thick by thumb and forefinger spread measurement but I didn't know that including backing at the time. Any idea what brand or brands these old tables might have been?
Hu
None of this has anything to do with the pool. It is one or the other, thats it
Trent from Toledo:thumbup:
You neglected to give the "Don't give a rat's ass" option!:thumbup:
I can still hear the thump of the balls hitting the back of the several layer thick saddle leather pockets on the old ten footers I learned on. They were what I started gambling on too. I don't remember anyone having difficulty missing pockets on those tables. Perhaps the best way to tighten pockets is the old way, bet higher and higher until your buttcheeks squinch-up, then the pockets are plenty small! The most I ever bet by a bunch was on one game of barbox eight ball. That game took at least fifteen or twenty minutes, maybe longer.
Bearing in mind you work on the old stuff, a serious question: I used to play on some old ten footers with those heavy leather pockets and somewhere between two and three inch slate. Very thick by thumb and forefinger spread measurement but I didn't know that including backing at the time. Any idea what brand or brands these old tables might have been?
Hu
I've been creating angles with 4" pockets for 2 decades, I had no idea you couldn't.
I voted 4.5" pockets. But, like many here, I play a lot of pool and consider it something very important in my life. The fact is, however, that we are the minority when it comes to the bulk of pool players around the world.
Millions of people play pool recreationally or purely for social interaction/entertainment. I would be willing to bet that the best selling pool tables are "furniture" style tables used in homes for recreation, where specific table specs have no meaning to the owners.
Here on AZ, with our 68,000+ members, we represent less than 1% of the total amount of people that say they enjoy a few games here and there. Just in the US this figure in estimated to be over 8 million. So if we could include these peeps in the poll it would give a much more accurate picture of what "most people" prefer. Here, where the vast majority of us are serious about the game, tighter pockets will likely be the favorite.
Millions of people play pool recreationally or purely for social interaction/entertainment. I would be willing to bet that the best selling pool tables are "furniture" style tables used in homes for recreation, where specific table specs have no meaning to the owners.
Here on AZ, with our 68,000+ members, we represent less than 1% of the total amount of people that say they enjoy a few games here and there. Just in the US this figure in estimated to be over 8 million. So if we could include these peeps in the poll it would give a much more accurate picture of what "most people" prefer. Here, where the vast majority of us are serious about the game, tighter pockets will likely be the favorite.
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Trent, I had my 9' Gandy 'sportsman' model set up by Glen a few years ago. I wanted it tighter as I was practicing a lot and hitting a lot of tournaments at that time. He recommended no tighter than 4 1/2 so I went with that, might be 4 5/8. It was good as I was playing all the time.
Fast forward, not playing as much, no tournaments, just for fun and my 'bucket' list of 100 plus in 14.1. I am okay with the size, but would NOT recommend it to anyone not trying to work on their game and/or stay competitive at a higher level. Would advocate Against it on a deep shelf table for anyone low 500's fargo or a for 'fun' player.
So, for the best players (top 20 - 25%) probably okay, for under that maybe 4 3/4 or 5 for a 9' table. A lot of people :smile: just don't know what they don't know.:smile:
Who are the ones you sell the most tables to?
td
Fast forward, not playing as much, no tournaments, just for fun and my 'bucket' list of 100 plus in 14.1. I am okay with the size, but would NOT recommend it to anyone not trying to work on their game and/or stay competitive at a higher level. Would advocate Against it on a deep shelf table for anyone low 500's fargo or a for 'fun' player.
So, for the best players (top 20 - 25%) probably okay, for under that maybe 4 3/4 or 5 for a 9' table. A lot of people :smile: just don't know what they don't know.:smile:
Who are the ones you sell the most tables to?
td
The poll specifically says : FOR PLAYERS AND NOT HOME RECREATIONAL BANGERS: PRO CUT POCKETS OR BUCKETS?
"most people" have no idea about pocket size unless you told them. So speaking frankly, they dont matter in the equation whatsoever.
Thanks for your vote and opinion.
Trent from Toledo
The poll specifically says : FOR PLAYERS AND NOT HOME RECREATIONAL BANGERS: PRO CUT POCKETS OR BUCKETS?
"most people" have no idea about pocket size unless you told them. So speaking frankly, they dont matter in the equation whatsoever.
Thanks for your vote and opinion.
Trent from Toledo
Damn. My reading comprehension skills must've taken a break when I saw this thread! Lol
Do you think "players", as we reach an age where going out and gambling or competing in tournaments and such, becomes something of the past, and since the love and enjoyment for playing is still there, we navigate to 5" pockets in order to satisfy that enjoyment?
