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07-20-2019, 02:28 PM

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FYI, Myth 3 resulted in a lot of discussion and debate on YouTube and Facebook, so I decided to do a follow-up video. Check it out:

NV J.26 Cue Ball Control Subtleties Pool Myth Follow-up

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Nice, Dave.

Is it accurate to say that the CB's initial carom direction is always on the tangent determined by the actual contact point, but that contact point can change with spin?

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SJM - I’m curious, why you believe that 99% will have stroke flaws for the rest of their pool-playing lives? Do you believe stroke flaws are nearly impossible to correct? If so, would you please elaborate as to why?
No, it's that I know that extremely few players ever take lessons. For some, it's because of the cost, but for most, it's simply that improving at pool is not very important to them and that they aren't willing to invest any significant amount of time to it.

To the 1%, and that might even be too high, that are willing to invest a significant amount of time and money to improvement, nearly all of them will manage to correct some, if not all, of their stroke flaws.
  
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07-20-2019, 02:32 PM

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FYI, Myth 3 resulted in a lot of discussion and debate on YouTube and Facebook, so I decided to do a follow-up video. Check it out:

NV J.26 Cue Ball Control Subtleties Pool Myth Follow-up
Nice, Dave.
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Is it accurate to say that the CB's initial carom direction is always on the tangent determined by the actual contact point, but that contact point can change with spin?
Sounds good to me. This is definitely one of the important points of the video.

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07-20-2019, 06:33 PM

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Is it accurate to say that the CB's initial carom direction is always on the tangent determined by the actual contact point, but that contact point can change with spin?
That is true for balls of perfect elasticity and identical weights and for a cue ball arriving at the same elevation as the object ball. (The airborne cue ball does not actually change the 90-degree rule, but the 90 degrees is partly up in space and the projection back onto the table is less than 90.)


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07-20-2019, 08:38 PM

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That is true for balls of perfect elasticity and identical weights and for a cue ball arriving at the same elevation as the object ball. (The airborne cue ball does not actually change the 90-degree rule, but the 90 degrees is partly up in space and the projection back onto the table is less than 90.)
A good example of this effect is demonstrated here:

jump shot over cut effect

This can also cause overcutting of close-range follow shots.

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No, it's that I know that extremely few players ever take lessons. For some, it's because of the cost, but for most, it's simply that improving at pool is not very important to them and that they aren't willing to invest any significant amount of time to it.

To the 1%, and that might even be too high, that are willing to invest a significant amount of time and money to improvement, nearly all of them will manage to correct some, if not all, of their stroke flaws.
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Reduced follow though means less power.

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terrible mechanics and stroke! - 07-21-2019, 06:05 AM

I watched a few minutes of Ralph Greenleaf shooting pool over and over. Horrible preshot and a stroke few today would envy. No question at all his warm up strokes looked like a pump handle! His tip was moving up and down a bunch. Then it appeared that on the final stroke he dropped his elbow and powered straight through the cue ball.

Almost all of us, very possibly all of us on AZB, are too smart to do things like this. Sometimes I wonder if we are too smart for our own good!

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07-21-2019, 01:00 PM

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I watched a few minutes of Ralph Greenleaf shooting pool over and over. Horrible preshot and a stroke few today would envy. No question at all his warm up strokes looked like a pump handle! His tip was moving up and down a bunch. Then it appeared that on the final stroke he dropped his elbow and powered straight through the cue ball.

Almost all of us, very possibly all of us on AZB, are too smart to do things like this. Sometimes I wonder if we are too smart for our own good!
He put in the countless hours and years it takes to master his "personal style" of play. Most of us aren't able to put in that amount of time, not do we have his level of natural talent.

Solid fundamentals and technique are more valuable than you imply, especially for people who want to improve their game more quickly.

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