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HELP - dealing with SLOW SHOOTER - 05-05-2006, 11:39 AM

Just looking for some advice or words of wisdom.

I play with this dude from time to time that will take like 7-8 min to run from say.... 5 - 9 ball. He will look at table FOREVER then get down on stance, stroke like 15 times, then stand back up and look again, get down on shot, practice stroke like 15 more times, then change from shooting top to botom english, then practice stroke for like 15 more times and finally shoot - and this could be with ball in hand. I seriously feel myself gettin ticked inside and frustrated by the time I am ready to shoot. Then when I shoot he always out loud questions what I am doing or ask why did I make that shot, but in a " WTF are you doing" kind of way.** Even though I usually beat him.** I dont play for money with him but I am just wondering if I were in a tournament with a player like this or playing for $$ , HOW do you mentally deal with this and what do you do sitting there for like 15 min??
  
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05-05-2006, 11:44 AM

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Just looking for some advice or words of wisdom.

I play with this dude from time to time that will take like 7-8 min to run from say.... 5 - 9 ball. He will look at table FOREVER then get down on stance, stroke like 15 times, then stand back up and look again, get down on shot, practice stroke like 15 more times, then change from shooting top to botom english, then practice stroke for like 15 more times and finally shoot - and this could be with ball in hand. I seriously feel myself gettin ticked inside and frustrated by the time I am ready to shoot. Then when I shoot he always out loud questions what I am doing or ask why did I make that shot, but in a " WTF are you doing" kind of way.** Even though I usually beat him.** I dont play for money with him but I am just wondering if I were in a tournament with a player like this or playing for $$ , HOW do you mentally deal with this and what do you do sitting there for like 15 min??
A cattle prode maybe?

I think I would just find an excuse whenever he wanted to play.


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05-05-2006, 11:51 AM

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A cattle prode maybe?
Hey Cats!

I think you're onto something here!! To heck with the "shot clock"!!

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05-05-2006, 12:00 PM

You must play against the same guy I do!

In the league I am in we have a slow play rule...1 minute to shoot. Otherwise its a foul. You must declare slow play, though. It has never really come down to enforcing a foul, but there is one team who is sooooooo sloooooow. They all shoot slow. It's get frustrating. I had a guy who really took forever...5 minutes in between shots. I think he thought if he missed, he was done for (he was right). He missed, and I was so mad from him being so slow, I ran 6 balls and the 8 in under 1 minute (I must have looked like Luc Salvas). He about sh$t himself. He picked it up a little after that.

I'll tell you what I have noticed...nothing upsets a slow player more than someone who plays SLOWER. Try it, a be patient.....very patient. It yeilds interesting results.

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05-05-2006, 12:03 PM

You know - I thought about that - being even slower. DUDE and serious sometimes after I shoot hell be sitting there cleaning his cue and all kinds of stuff and im like JUST PLAY!!! Your cue may get a little dirty during battle - DAMN!
  
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05-05-2006, 12:03 PM

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Just looking for some advice or words of wisdom.

I play with this dude from time to time that will take like 7-8 min to run from say.... 5 - 9 ball. He will look at table FOREVER then get down on stance, stroke like 15 times, then stand back up and look again, get down on shot, practice stroke like 15 more times, then change from shooting top to botom english, then practice stroke for like 15 more times and finally shoot - and this could be with ball in hand. I seriously feel myself gettin ticked inside and frustrated by the time I am ready to shoot. Then when I shoot he always out loud questions what I am doing or ask why did I make that shot, but in a " WTF are you doing" kind of way.** Even though I usually beat him.** I dont play for money with him but I am just wondering if I were in a tournament with a player like this or playing for $$ , HOW do you mentally deal with this and what do you do sitting there for like 15 min??

You should play him for money!


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05-05-2006, 12:04 PM

buddy hall said if someone is slow playing you, YOU play SLOWER!!!! Said that will usually speed things up a bit!
  
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05-05-2006, 12:05 PM

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Just looking for some advice or words of wisdom.

I play with this dude from time to time that will take like 7-8 min to run from say.... 5 - 9 ball. He will look at table FOREVER then get down on stance, stroke like 15 times, then stand back up and look again, get down on shot, practice stroke like 15 more times, then change from shooting top to botom english, then practice stroke for like 15 more times and finally shoot - and this could be with ball in hand. I seriously feel myself gettin ticked inside and frustrated by the time I am ready to shoot. Then when I shoot he always out loud questions what I am doing or ask why did I make that shot, but in a " WTF are you doing" kind of way.** Even though I usually beat him.** I dont play for money with him but I am just wondering if I were in a tournament with a player like this or playing for $$ , HOW do you mentally deal with this and what do you do sitting there for like 15 min??
Carry a good book in your cue case. When he questions you, that is the perfect time for a strong retort!


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05-05-2006, 12:08 PM

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buddy hall said if someone is slow playing you, YOU play SLOWER!!!! Said that will usually speed things up a bit!
I agree with this too... He might be trying to use some gamesmanship on you...


You have two choices to counter his gambit from the gamesmanship point of view: shoot twice as slowly... or shoot with blazing speed... doing everything opposite of what he does. And I mean EVERYTHING. Turn the chalk upsidedown, chalk after you miss and before you shoot... think of anything. Talk on the cell phone to your broker (imaginary phone calls) about big $$ deals while this guy is shooting.


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05-05-2006, 12:13 PM

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buddy hall said if someone is slow playing you, YOU play SLOWER!!!! Said that will usually speed things up a bit!

Man I like this piece of advice! Best one I've heard all day!

Wow I would bring my ipod, read my books, clean my cues, go buy lunch, use the washroom.......


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05-05-2006, 12:25 PM

How about this... After he misses a shot, walk up to the table and notice some chalk dust buildup in one area of the felt. Start brushing at it with your hand with a puzzled look on your face. It's going to take some work to clean up, so walk back to your chair and set your cue down. Then back to the table and really work at brushing this chalk spot away. Start rubbing really hard, stop for a moment and lean down about 5 inches away from the spot to really inspect it up close. Then brush some more. Go ask the waitress if they have a Dirt Devil vacuum... Then when you're finally satisfied with your cleanup job, grab your cue, get ready to stroke your shot, and then notice a smudge on your shaft. Rinse and repeat.


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05-05-2006, 12:40 PM

Think only of your game when your standing, don't think about anything at all when your sitting.


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05-05-2006, 01:01 PM

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How about this... After he misses a shot, walk up to the table and notice some chalk dust buildup in one area of the felt. Start brushing at it with your hand with a puzzled look on your face. It's going to take some work to clean up, so walk back to your chair and set your cue down. Then back to the table and really work at brushing this chalk spot away. Start rubbing really hard, stop for a moment and lean down about 5 inches away from the spot to really inspect it up close. Then brush some more. Go ask the waitress if they have a Dirt Devil vacuum... Then when you're finally satisfied with your cleanup job, grab your cue, get ready to stroke your shot, and then notice a smudge on your shaft. Rinse and repeat.
You've watched a recent Johnny Archer match

Actually, I started a thread asking for advice on this topic a while back. Here's a link, I got a lot of good replies:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=26362

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05-05-2006, 01:12 PM

Some good ones on there . I like the one about having the Jeopardy music on your cell phone.
  
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05-05-2006, 01:51 PM

Play alot of safes.. play slowly yourself, and make sure it bothers him - I'm sure you rush to the table a bit frustrated after one of his 5minute stints, where you were just WAITING endlesly for him to just 'hurry up'. It tends to make the player shoot impatiently, like he's trying to show you how fast you should play.

Other than that, just learn to deal with it, play better so he gets less oppertunity at the table.
  
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