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11-21-2018, 06:57 AM

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Sad news here and wishing Mario He better times ahead. I hope to see him in a future Mosconi cup.

From a pool standpoint, though, I like Alex Kazakhs over Mario and I think team Europe just got a little bit stronger.
Good news for you, I guess, if you like Europe!

I like Kaci, but I'm pulling for Team USA all the way! As an American, I'm kind of patriotic that way.


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11-21-2018, 07:00 AM

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It's nothing to do with us if you read the release,
I believe I know how it went. At Eurotour top players and some random ones as well are tested by WADA for banned substances and Mario has been tested positive for such. And while according to the press release it was "non-performance enhancing drug" (he probably meant "performance non-enhancing drug") the substance is on the list of banned substances which makes it Mario tested positive. The fact that the case is "ongoing" probably means that there will be a hearing at WADA with Mario to determine the penalty. But Mario aparently decided to withdraw from MC not to damage reputation of MC/Matchroom Sports.
  
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11-21-2018, 07:02 AM

Sad for Mario and their team. After what Lance Armstrong did to cycling no sport wants to take any chances.
  
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11-21-2018, 07:05 AM

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Good news for you, I guess, if you like Europe!

I like Kaci, but I'm pulling for Team USA all the way! As an American, I'm kind of patriotic that way.
If we play our best, we might pull it off. I think the addition of Jeremy jones to Johanís coaching staff should pay dividends.

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11-21-2018, 07:07 AM

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Sad for Mario and their team. After what Lance Armstrong did to cycling no sport wants to take any chances.
Have you seen Mario He's physique? He's a little chunky kind of guy, big build. I don't think he's taking enhancing drugs like Lance Armstrong. I think he has a medical condition like a lot people do who are carrying extra weight. Poor guy has high blood pressure, like I do.


I wish he had written his statement better. Also, I wish he did not withdraw. Let the record speak for itself.
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11-21-2018, 07:09 AM

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Good grief! This does not make any sense to me. BLOOD PRESSURE MEDICINE!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Baumann

Blood pressure medicine?
In this case it was in toothpaste.

There were several cases where athletes made mistakes in taking wrong medicine or dietary supplement.
But since the big doping scandals in cycling, football etc. doping is like a red rag in Europe.To that effect there are heavy penalties for all doping delicts.
  
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11-21-2018, 07:09 AM

First, well Iím shocked anyone in the entire pool world was drug tested.

Second, I follow Olympic weightlifting and other strength sports, and almost every single time someone tests positive for doping, they claim it is some rx med or some harmless otc supplement. They fight it, request a hearing, and a B sample test.

They all end up losing their appeals and get banned for a year or so.
  
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11-21-2018, 07:11 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Baumann

Blood pressure medicine?
In this case it was in toothpaste.

There were several cases where athletes made mistakes in taking wrong medicine or dietary supplement.
But since the big doping scandals in cycling, football etc. doping is like a red rag in Europe.To that effect there are heavy penalties for all doping delicts.
This is ridiculous. It's like me testing positive for heroin because I had a muffin for breakfast with poppy seeds on it. Sheesh!
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11-21-2018, 07:15 AM

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Good grief! This does not make any sense to me. BLOOD PRESSURE MEDICINE!
If the medicine was on a banned substance list then it doesnt matter - he is tested positive by WADA and thats it. Now what kind of banned substance and circumstances - thats another story, that will determine the penalty. In case of unintentional doping the penalty by WADA is 2 years of competition ban. Now this penalty can be lowered by WADA under certain circumstances. Based upon past examples the lowest penalty Mario can expect is 6-12 months competition ban.

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11-21-2018, 07:18 AM

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If the medicine was on a banned substance list then it doesnt matter - he is tested positive by WADA and thats it. Now what kind of banned substance and circumstances - thats another story, that will determine the penalty. In case of unintentional doping the penalty by WADA is 2 years of competition ban. Now this penalty can be lowered by WADA under certain circumstances. Based upon past examples the lowest penalty Mario can expect 6-12 months competition ban.
That is outrageously wrong on so many levels.

How stupid are those blue-blooded European doping committee members. Stupid is as stupid does.


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11-21-2018, 07:20 AM

Caffeine is on the banned list. But only above extremely high amounts. Youíd have to drink something like 20 cups before a test for a positive.

Hang around a sport that is regularly tested and you will see tons of people fail. And they all claim they were not cheating.
  
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11-21-2018, 07:27 AM

This is so cheesy.


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11-21-2018, 07:31 AM

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Have you seen Mario He's physique? He's a little chunky kind of guy, big build. I don't think he's taking enhancing drugs like Lance Armstrong. I think he has a medical condition like a lot people do who are carrying extra weight. Poor guy has high blood pressure, like I do.





I wish he had written his statement better. Also, I wish he did not withdraw. Let the record speak for itself.

I agree itís likely an unfortunate and innocent misunderstanding. But I assume restricted PEDs arenít only about building muscle. I assume they also cover things that could enhance your focus, heart rate and reaction to adrenaline. That kind of stuff could improve pool performance in high pressure situations. It is the responsibility of the athlete to know the list and scrutinize what they allow in their body. It is truly sad, though, to see a mistake have this level of consequence for such a respected player.


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11-21-2018, 07:33 AM

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That is outrageously wrong on so many levels.

How stupid are those blue-blooded European doping committee members. Stupid is as stupid does.
It has nothing to do with blue-blooded Europeans, WADA is World Anti-Doping Agency
https://www.wada-ama.org/
If you treat pool as a sport there are certain things you have to do right and taking the right medication if needed is one of them. And Mario's fault was his negligence to check that he was ok to take such medication, that it adhered to anti-doping rules (which it didnt aparently). And IF that medication was THE only one for his health condition then it was his obligation to obtain a medical exemption from WADA. As harsh as it may sound it is the only way to do things right in SPORT...
  
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11-21-2018, 07:41 AM

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It has nothing to do with blue-blooded Europeans, WADA is World Anti-Doping Agency
https://www.wada-ama.org/
If you treat pool as a sport there are certain things you have to do right and taking the right medication if needed is one of them. And Mario's fault was his negligence to check that he was ok to take such medication, that it adhered to anti-doping rules (which it didnt aparently). And IF that medication was THE only one for his health condition then it was his obligation to obtain a medical exemption from WADA. As harsh as it may sound it is the only way to do things right in SPORT...
I agree with this. I spoke to Mario on multiple occasions in recent years and thought he was genuinely nice. It's unfortunate that this happened. As a competitive athlete for close to a decade, I was always advised to consult with specialized medical professionals to make sure in days leading to a drug test, I'd not consume anything that would remotely trigger any false positive.
  
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