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Diamond system history - 11-09-2016, 01:22 AM

I am searching for the "beginning" of the "diamond system".

I would like to know the persons who had the idea to use a formula, the
persons who defined the coding of the diamonds, the persons who improve it,
and the dates of that (probably around 1920).

At the moment, I have nothing except an article of J. Earle Miller
in "Popular Mechanics Magazine" April 1926, which describes the system and
mainly the "McGoorty, A pool room hustler" of R.Byrne, where, page 167,
Dann McGoorty said

"Not only did Hoppe not use the diamond system, he had nothing to do with
developing it. That was done by Copulus, Layton, and Clarence Jackson".

I've seen elsewhere that Johnny Layton was named "The Diamond King", and that
Michael Phelan was responsible of the diamonds.

Have anyone some references ?

Thanks in advance,

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11-10-2016, 08:36 AM

In 1850 Michael Phelan was the first American to author a book on billiards.

There were a few previous books published in Europe, in which "aiming methods" and "banking methods" were illustrated and explained, with shot diagrams etc. You might be able to say that those were the first, published, "aiming systems".

But in my opinion, and as far as I know, it was Michael Phelan who deliberately addressed the diamonds first. He has even been credited for being the first to place diamonds in the rails at all.

Look in his book "Billiards Without A Master" starting on page 58
http://chicagobilliardmuseum.org/fil...ter_PHELAN.pdf
  
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11-11-2016, 06:38 PM

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I am searching for the "beginning" of the "diamond system".

I would like to know the persons who had the idea to use a formula, the
persons who defined the coding of the diamonds, the persons who improve it,
and the dates of that (probably around 1920).

At the moment, I have nothing except an article of J. Earle Miller
in "Popular Mechanics Magazine" April 1926, which describes the system and
mainly the "McGoorty, A pool room hustler" of R.Byrne, where, page 167,
Dann McGoorty said

"Not only did Hoppe not use the diamond system, he had nothing to do with
developing it. That was done by Copulus, Layton, and Clarence Jackson".

I've seen elsewhere that Johnny Layton was named "The Diamond King", and that
Michael Phelan was responsible of the diamonds.

Have anyone some references ?

Thanks in advance,

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Mingaud - 07-01-2018, 11:53 AM

There are no diamonds or markers on Mingaud's diagrams...so could you explain what you mean?


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Diamond system history - 07-25-2018, 11:16 AM

This is an interesting thread, JPol - and deserving of more attention and possible input.

Iíll see what I can dig up and do some sleuthing in my cuesports library.

Any chance to resurrect / restart / post this gem in the Main section?

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07-30-2018, 09:11 AM

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This is an interesting thread, JPol - and deserving of more attention and possible input.

Iíll see what I can dig up and do some sleuthing in my cuesports library.

Any chance to resurrect / restart / post this gem in the Main section?

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