Brunswick GC 1--thoughts?

RichSchultz

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I have the opportunity to purchase a Brunswick GC1, for $1500. Already disassembled...rails and slate are in good shape, according to the seller (i know, i know).

Should I pull the trigger? Please, no "save your money and buy a Diamond"
comments...that's tiresome, and I am asking about this deal.

Thoughts?
 

Chopdoc

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Personally, I would love to have one.

Disassembled?

I have seen them come from pool halls like that with their parts mixed up.

I would rather have a good GC than a Diamond. But if I found one in that state I would definitely have a good mechanic look at it before I bought it.

Could be treasure or trash...no way to say at this point.

.
 

pt109

WO double hemlock
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I like GC1s....my only complaint....if you have to re-rubber it...
...Brunswick SuperSpeed doesn't quite fit right.
 

trentfromtoledo

8onthebreaktoledo
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Offer him $1000 if all the parts are there and the slates are good. If they are the original cushions and are good: LEAVE THEM ON.

If you need to change the cushions:
the Superspeed rubber is 1/8" bigger than the old Monarch Superspeed cushions, the bevel/ angle of the subrail is the same, it reduces the size of the table by 1/4" each direction... The nose height remains the same. Still will get over 4 rails length wise and the table will play good. I have never had a single complaint on all the old GC's, Anniversary's and Centennials I have restored and used the current Superspeed rubber.

Depending on who you use, it is only around $1000 to have the rails recalibrated if you are seeking perfection.


Trent from Toledo

I have restored over 50 Brunswick tables, have a look here:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/toledopooltables/photos/?tab=albums
 

mchnhed

I Came, I Shot, I Choked
Silver Member
Inspect Carefully

Inspect it carefully.
Like a previous poster said if it's been in one or more pool rooms.......

Frankentable - Mixed GC I/II/III Parts
Mixed Slate Pieces
Mixed Rails
Stripped Rail Bolt Retainer Threads
Stripped Screw Holes that hold down the retainers.
Ends of Rails - Chewed Up and Splintered
Split/Unglued Rails
Dented, Rub Worn Top Surface of Rails
Slate Backer Board Staple Area - Splintered wood from many reclothes.
Missing Brackets, Screws, Bolts, Skirts, Trim

There are some great GCI's.
You or a mechanic just need to know what you are looking at.
 
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dnixon

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I have a gold crown one in my opinion one of the best tables ever made just make sure you get all of the correct parts good luck
 

pogmothoin

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I love my GC1. I did have the rails done and it plays perfectly. No regrets.
 

Dexter36

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I bought mine for 1200 I think? Mine had a couple pieces swapped out from other gc1's they had from the liquidated hall, but the slate matched up and the guy assured me that if I had any complaints he would remedy. Local table pro set it up new 860 and new rails for another 800 bucks. I don't know enough to know if I got hosed on the price or not, but the thing plays fantastic and I have no regrets!
 

RichSchultz

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what's going on with the discoloration of the rails here? just the felt?

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bbb

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i would buy it....:thumbup:
especially if you can get it cloer to 1k
i would have a table mechanic check it out since it is disassembled to be sure all is good before buying
i would pay the little extra if need be to have a gc 1
but i am prejudiced since i bought a gc1 for my home table...:smile:
good luck
 

Lesh

One Hole Thinkifier
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I love my GC1. I did have the rails done and it plays perfectly. No regrets.

Where did you get the rails for a GC-1?
What did you use?
Nomenclature would be greatly appreciated.
I have a gentleman here in St Petersburg that has a venerable GC-1 and would benefit from knowing where to get the right rubber... Jack Kerouac used to play on it in the 60's.

If I can get this guy to re-rubber this table, it would be like Moses parting the waters.

Lesh
 

trentfromtoledo

8onthebreaktoledo
Silver Member
Where did you get the rails for a GC-1?
What did you use?
Nomenclature would be greatly appreciated.
I have a gentleman here in St Petersburg that has a venerable GC-1 and would benefit from knowing where to get the right rubber... Jack Kerouac used to play on it in the 60's.

If I can get this guy to re-rubber this table, it would be like Moses parting the waters.

Lesh

Lesh , he most likely had the mechanic use Brunswick Superspeed Cushions:

the current Superspeed rubber is 1/8" bigger than the old Monarch Superspeed cushions, the bevel/ angle of the subrail is the same, it reduces the size of the table by 1/4" each direction... The nose height remains the same. Still will get over 4 rails length wise and the table will play good. I have never had a single complaint on all the old GC's, Anniversary's and Centennials I have restored and used the current Superspeed rubber.

Depending on who you use, it is only around $1000 to have the rails recalibrated if you are seeking perfection.

Trent
 

mchnhed

I Came, I Shot, I Choked
Silver Member
Where did you get the rails for a GC-1?
What did you use?

Nomenclature would be greatly appreciated.
I have a gentleman here in St Petersburg that has a venerable GC-1 and would benefit from knowing where to get the right rubber.
Lesh
Cushions are the rubber part. Re-cushioning.
Rails are the wooden part.


Please go to "Talk to a Mechanic" section.
Ask your question.....
May the spirit of RKC rise up to answer your questions.

Be cautious of some of the "advice" you may read from people, who use short cuts to recushion an older table. Usually older rails need to be trimmed on the mounting face to accept the newer types of cushions. It is called "recalibration" of a rail.
Most people do not know this and do not want to spend the extra money and just accept the table as is.
I'm just letting you know so you can make an educated decision.
If your Table Jockey doesn't mention or know about this, beware.

Recalibrating a set of rails can add expense to the table, but it will be correct and play great.
Replacing the rail bolt retainers is another good thing to do.
The screws holes tend to get stripped because of it's design. Too much pulling, not enough tooth.
Installing inserts fixes this, but again adds expense.
Your rails will not come loose later due to stripped screw holes.

I'm surprised that others answering your questions have not mentioned these desired and some feel necessary modifications in detail.
Pictures of my proud work.
 

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xianmacx

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what's going on with the discoloration of the rails here? just the felt?

I have a GC1 with original cushions. The discoloration is something with the monarch cushions. When I picked up my table, the existing rail cloth had a perfectly straight discolored line where the cushions were. The new simonis has been on for about 2 years and it has the same discoloration.

IMO this is a good sign, tells you its got original cushions. Hopefully they are in good shape.

Looks like a great table for 1k.

Ian

Discoloration with original cloth


Discoloration with new Simonis. Took about a year to start happening.
 

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mchnhed

I Came, I Shot, I Choked
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what's going on with the discoloration of the rails here? just the felt?

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Your cushions are gassing out. No more nachos near the table!
The chemicals in the rubber compound are evaporating.
Not a good thing.

Hopefully the rails are still at the correct firmness.
Inch by inch, feel the points of the cushions.
https://youtu.be/O7vJNNuAKBc
I wish there was a way to test cushions on a disassembled table with good cloth, other than a feel test.
Even on a assembled table that has loose rails will act like it has bad cushions.
Some say.....if you are unsure of the age, replace the cushions.
 
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