agree, Shaw has done well with fewer showings but I like the fact that Archer has back to back the event more times than anyone has back to back any event (not sure how Ralf did at the worlds) and that's just stronger in my book. Being able to lose the title, win it back then defend that win the next year. Imagine that in boxing.
Turning Stone Classic 9-Ball Open -- Winners and Runners-Up
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agree, Shaw has done well with fewer showings but I like the fact that Archer has back to back the event more times than anyone has back to back any event (not sure how Ralf did at the worlds) and that's just stronger in my book. Being able to lose the title, win it back then defend that win the next year. Imagine that in boxing.
Here, after TS XXXIII, is an update to the list of winners and runners-up for the Turning Stone Classic 9-Ball Open events. Shane Van Boening won for the 6th time (he has one second-place finish).
The 33 Turning Stone events have been won by 16 different players. Eleven players have won once, Bustamante and Immonen have each won twice, Van Boening, Shaw, and Archer have each won 6 times.
The 33 events have seen 25 different players finish second. Nineteen players have finished second once; Sossei, Immonen, Morra, and Archer have each been runner-up twice; Hatch and Morris have 3 runner-up finishes apiece.
Five of the event winners (who have accounted for 20 wins) and 8 of the runners-up (who have accounted for 11 second-place finishes) played this past week. Their names are shown in blue.
The 66 finalists' spots in the 33 events have been filled by 33 different players. Nine of those 33 players (who have accounted for 31 finalists' spots) played this past week.
I, July 2000 -- M. Immonen d. F. Hernandez 13-2
II, May 2001 -- F. Bustamante d. E. Reyes 13-11
III, Aug. 2001 -- C. Williams d. M. Immonen 13-11
IV, Feb. 2005 -- S. Tavernier d. R. McCreesh 13-2
V, Aug. 2005 -- F. Bustamante d. D. Hatch 13-11
VI, Feb. 2006 -- T. Hohmann d. K. McCready 13-3
VII, Aug. 2006 -- J. Archer d. S. Sambajon 13-9
VIII, Feb. 2007 -- J. Archer d. J. Morra 13-4
IX, Aug. 2007 -- L. Vann Corteza d. L. Ulrich 13-7
X, Feb. 2008 -- J. Archer d. J. Sossei 13-8
XI, Aug. 2008 -- J. Archer d. C. Williams 13-6
XII, Feb. 2009 -- R. Souquet d. D. Hatch 13-7
XIII, Aug. 2009 -- O. Dominguez d. Z. Zvi 13-5
XIV, Dec. 2009 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-11
XV, Aug. 2010 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-8
XVI, Dec. 2010 -- C. Deuel d. S. Moore 13-11
XVII, Sept. 2011 -- R. Morris d. A. Pagulayan 13-7
XVIII, Dec. 2011 -- S. Van Boening d. R. Hundal 13-9
XIX, Aug. 2012 -- M. Dechaine d. S. Putnam 13-4
XX, Jan. 2013 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-5
XXI, Sept. 2013 -- E. Strickland d. J. Sossei 13-7
XXII, Sept. 2014 -- J. Shaw d. M. Immonen 13-6
XXIII, Jan. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. J. Morra 13-11
XXIV, Aug. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. M. Dechaine 13-10
XXV, Jan. 2016 -- M. Immonen d. E. Hjorleifson 13-2
XXVI, Aug. 2016 -- J. Shaw d. K. Corr 13-5
XXVII, Jan. 2017 -- J. Shaw d. R. Morris 13-6
XXVIII, Sept. 2017 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Shaw 13-4
XXIX, Jan. 2018 -- B. Thorpe d. D. Hatch 13-11
XXX, Aug. 2018 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-7
XXXI, Jan. 2019 -- J. Shaw d. S. Van Boening 13-7
XXXII, Aug. 2019 -- S. Van Boening d. E. Strickland 13-11
XXXIII, Jan. 2020 -- S. Van Boening d. A. Kazakis 13-6
The 33 Turning Stone events have been won by 16 different players. Eleven players have won once, Bustamante and Immonen have each won twice, Van Boening, Shaw, and Archer have each won 6 times.
The 33 events have seen 25 different players finish second. Nineteen players have finished second once; Sossei, Immonen, Morra, and Archer have each been runner-up twice; Hatch and Morris have 3 runner-up finishes apiece.
Five of the event winners (who have accounted for 20 wins) and 8 of the runners-up (who have accounted for 11 second-place finishes) played this past week. Their names are shown in blue.
The 66 finalists' spots in the 33 events have been filled by 33 different players. Nine of those 33 players (who have accounted for 31 finalists' spots) played this past week.
I, July 2000 -- M. Immonen d. F. Hernandez 13-2
II, May 2001 -- F. Bustamante d. E. Reyes 13-11
III, Aug. 2001 -- C. Williams d. M. Immonen 13-11
IV, Feb. 2005 -- S. Tavernier d. R. McCreesh 13-2
V, Aug. 2005 -- F. Bustamante d. D. Hatch 13-11
VI, Feb. 2006 -- T. Hohmann d. K. McCready 13-3
VII, Aug. 2006 -- J. Archer d. S. Sambajon 13-9
VIII, Feb. 2007 -- J. Archer d. J. Morra 13-4
IX, Aug. 2007 -- L. Vann Corteza d. L. Ulrich 13-7
X, Feb. 2008 -- J. Archer d. J. Sossei 13-8
XI, Aug. 2008 -- J. Archer d. C. Williams 13-6
XII, Feb. 2009 -- R. Souquet d. D. Hatch 13-7
XIII, Aug. 2009 -- O. Dominguez d. Z. Zvi 13-5
XIV, Dec. 2009 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-11
XV, Aug. 2010 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-8
XVI, Dec. 2010 -- C. Deuel d. S. Moore 13-11
XVII, Sept. 2011 -- R. Morris d. A. Pagulayan 13-7
XVIII, Dec. 2011 -- S. Van Boening d. R. Hundal 13-9
XIX, Aug. 2012 -- M. Dechaine d. S. Putnam 13-4
XX, Jan. 2013 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-5
XXI, Sept. 2013 -- E. Strickland d. J. Sossei 13-7
XXII, Sept. 2014 -- J. Shaw d. M. Immonen 13-6
XXIII, Jan. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. J. Morra 13-11
XXIV, Aug. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. M. Dechaine 13-10
XXV, Jan. 2016 -- M. Immonen d. E. Hjorleifson 13-2
XXVI, Aug. 2016 -- J. Shaw d. K. Corr 13-5
XXVII, Jan. 2017 -- J. Shaw d. R. Morris 13-6
XXVIII, Sept. 2017 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Shaw 13-4
XXIX, Jan. 2018 -- B. Thorpe d. D. Hatch 13-11
XXX, Aug. 2018 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-7
XXXI, Jan. 2019 -- J. Shaw d. S. Van Boening 13-7
XXXII, Aug. 2019 -- S. Van Boening d. E. Strickland 13-11
XXXIII, Jan. 2020 -- S. Van Boening d. A. Kazakis 13-6
With Van Boening's undefeated win at TS XXXIII, here's an update to the counts of winners who were undefeated versus those who came from the one-loss side:
The average score in the finals remains at 13 - 7.1.
And, still, no final has ended at 13-0, 13-1, or 13-12.
15 undefeated (events, without the Roman numerals, # 2, 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 24, 26, 27, 29, 30, and 33)
18 with one loss
18 with one loss
The average score in the finals remains at 13 - 7.1.
And, still, no final has ended at 13-0, 13-1, or 13-12.
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11 of the last 14 Turning Stone Classics have been won by SVB or Shaw....that's so cool.
Archer's name is on that list 8 times.
Yes, he leads in appearances in the finals, with 8 (6 wins, 2 seconds). Van Boening and Shaw both have 7 appearances in the finals (6 wins, 1 second).
With Turning Stone XXXIV coming up next week, as usual I am re-posting my list of the winners and runners-up, and the score of the Finals match, from each of the previous events and (2) indicating which of those finalists are scheduled to return next week.
The previous 33 Turning Stone events have been won by 16 different players. Eleven players have won once, Bustamante and Immonen have each won twice, Archer, Shaw, and Van Boening have each won 6 times.
The 33 events have seen 25 different players finish second. Nineteen players have finished second once; Sossei, Immonen, Morra, and Archer have each been runner-up twice; Hatch and Morris have 3 runner-up finishes apiece.
Based on the player list on the Joss Tour website today (12/28/21) for event XXXIV, 8 of the previous event winners (who have accounted for 24 wins) and 8 of the runners-up (who have accounted for 12 second-place finishes) are scheduled to play next week. Their names are shown in red.
The 66 finalists' spots in the 33 events have been filled by 33 different players. Eleven of those 33 players (who have accounted for 36 finalists' spots) are scheduled to play next week.
I, July 2000 -- M. Immonen d. F. Hernandez 13-2
II, May 2001 -- F. Bustamante d. E. Reyes 13-11
III, Aug. 2001 -- C. Williams d. M. Immonen 13-11
IV, Feb. 2005 -- S. Tavernier d. R. McCreesh 13-2
V, Aug. 2005 -- F. Bustamante d. D. Hatch 13-11
VI, Feb. 2006 -- T. Hohmann d. K. McCready 13-3
VII, Aug. 2006 -- J. Archer d. S. Sambajon 13-9
VIII, Feb. 2007 -- J. Archer d. J. Morra 13-4
IX, Aug. 2007 -- L. Vann Corteza d. L. Ulrich 13-7
X, Feb. 2008 -- J. Archer d. J. Sossei 13-8
XI, Aug. 2008 -- J. Archer d. C. Williams 13-6
XII, Feb. 2009 -- R. Souquet d. D. Hatch 13-7
XIII, Aug. 2009 -- O. Dominguez d. Z. Zvi 13-5
XIV, Dec. 2009 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-11
XV, Aug. 2010 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-8
XVI, Dec. 2010 -- C. Deuel d. S. Moore 13-11
XVII, Sept. 2011 -- R. Morris d. A. Pagulayan 13-7
XVIII, Dec. 2011 -- S. Van Boening d. R. Hundal 13-9
XIX, Aug. 2012 -- M. Dechaine d. S. Putnam 13-4
XX, Jan. 2013 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-5
XXI, Sept. 2013 -- E. Strickland d. J. Sossei 13-7
XXII, Sept. 2014 -- J. Shaw d. M. Immonen 13-6
XXIII, Jan. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. J. Morra 13-11
XXIV, Aug. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. M. Dechaine 13-10
XXV, Jan. 2016 -- M. Immonen d. E. Hjorleifson 13-2
XXVI, Aug. 2016 -- J. Shaw d. K. Corr 13-5
XXVII, Jan. 2017 -- J. Shaw d. R. Morris 13-6
XXVIII, Sept. 2017 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Shaw 13-4
XXIX, Jan. 2018 -- B. Thorpe d. D. Hatch 13-11
XXX, Aug. 2018 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-7
XXXI, Jan. 2019 -- J. Shaw d. S. Van Boening 13-7
XXXII, Aug. 2019 -- S. Van Boening d. E. Strickland 13-11
XXXIII, Jan. 2020 -- S. Van Boening d. A. Kazakis 13-6
XXXIV, Jan. 2022 -- ?
The previous 33 Turning Stone events have been won by 16 different players. Eleven players have won once, Bustamante and Immonen have each won twice, Archer, Shaw, and Van Boening have each won 6 times.
The 33 events have seen 25 different players finish second. Nineteen players have finished second once; Sossei, Immonen, Morra, and Archer have each been runner-up twice; Hatch and Morris have 3 runner-up finishes apiece.
Based on the player list on the Joss Tour website today (12/28/21) for event XXXIV, 8 of the previous event winners (who have accounted for 24 wins) and 8 of the runners-up (who have accounted for 12 second-place finishes) are scheduled to play next week. Their names are shown in red.
The 66 finalists' spots in the 33 events have been filled by 33 different players. Eleven of those 33 players (who have accounted for 36 finalists' spots) are scheduled to play next week.
I, July 2000 -- M. Immonen d. F. Hernandez 13-2
II, May 2001 -- F. Bustamante d. E. Reyes 13-11
III, Aug. 2001 -- C. Williams d. M. Immonen 13-11
IV, Feb. 2005 -- S. Tavernier d. R. McCreesh 13-2
V, Aug. 2005 -- F. Bustamante d. D. Hatch 13-11
VI, Feb. 2006 -- T. Hohmann d. K. McCready 13-3
VII, Aug. 2006 -- J. Archer d. S. Sambajon 13-9
VIII, Feb. 2007 -- J. Archer d. J. Morra 13-4
IX, Aug. 2007 -- L. Vann Corteza d. L. Ulrich 13-7
X, Feb. 2008 -- J. Archer d. J. Sossei 13-8
XI, Aug. 2008 -- J. Archer d. C. Williams 13-6
XII, Feb. 2009 -- R. Souquet d. D. Hatch 13-7
XIII, Aug. 2009 -- O. Dominguez d. Z. Zvi 13-5
XIV, Dec. 2009 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-11
XV, Aug. 2010 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-8
XVI, Dec. 2010 -- C. Deuel d. S. Moore 13-11
XVII, Sept. 2011 -- R. Morris d. A. Pagulayan 13-7
XVIII, Dec. 2011 -- S. Van Boening d. R. Hundal 13-9
XIX, Aug. 2012 -- M. Dechaine d. S. Putnam 13-4
XX, Jan. 2013 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-5
XXI, Sept. 2013 -- E. Strickland d. J. Sossei 13-7
XXII, Sept. 2014 -- J. Shaw d. M. Immonen 13-6
XXIII, Jan. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. J. Morra 13-11
XXIV, Aug. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. M. Dechaine 13-10
XXV, Jan. 2016 -- M. Immonen d. E. Hjorleifson 13-2
XXVI, Aug. 2016 -- J. Shaw d. K. Corr 13-5
XXVII, Jan. 2017 -- J. Shaw d. R. Morris 13-6
XXVIII, Sept. 2017 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Shaw 13-4
XXIX, Jan. 2018 -- B. Thorpe d. D. Hatch 13-11
XXX, Aug. 2018 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-7
XXXI, Jan. 2019 -- J. Shaw d. S. Van Boening 13-7
XXXII, Aug. 2019 -- S. Van Boening d. E. Strickland 13-11
XXXIII, Jan. 2020 -- S. Van Boening d. A. Kazakis 13-6
XXXIV, Jan. 2022 -- ?
I remember being there for most of these.
Remember the Dechaine win, sitting next to his dad by chance.
Hatch in the finals with everyone there pulling for him with home field advantage.
Karen Corr playing amazing and making the finals.
This will be another great event. If you can be there in person, it's simply the best spectator venue possible.
Remember the Dechaine win, sitting next to his dad by chance.
Hatch in the finals with everyone there pulling for him with home field advantage.
Karen Corr playing amazing and making the finals.
This will be another great event. If you can be there in person, it's simply the best spectator venue possible.
Here, after TS XXXIV, is an update to the list of winners and runners-up for the Turning Stone Classic 9-Ball Open events. Jayson Shaw won for the 7th time (he also has one second-place finish), breaking his tie with Archer and Van Boening for the most wins.
The 34 Turning Stone events have been won by 16 different players. Eleven players have won once, Bustamante and Immonen have each won twice, Van Boening and Archer have each won 6 times, and Shaw has won 7 times (all in the last 13 events).
The 34 events have seen 26 different players finish second. Twenty players have finished second once; Sossei, Immonen, Morra, and Archer have each been runner-up twice; Hatch and Morris have 3 runner-up finishes apiece.
Five of the event winners (who have accounted for 17 wins) and 8 of the runners-up (who have accounted for 12 second-place finishes) played this past week. Their names are shown in red.
The 68 finalists' spots in the 34 events have been filled by 34 different players. Nine of those 34 players (who have accounted for 29 finalists' spots) played this past week.
I, July 2000 -- M. Immonen d. F. Hernandez 13-2
II, May 2001 -- F. Bustamante d. E. Reyes 13-11
III, Aug. 2001 -- C. Williams d. M. Immonen 13-11
IV, Feb. 2005 -- S. Tavernier d. R. McCreesh 13-2
V, Aug. 2005 -- F. Bustamante d. D. Hatch 13-11
VI, Feb. 2006 -- T. Hohmann d. K. McCready 13-3
VII, Aug. 2006 -- J. Archer d. S. Sambajon 13-9
VIII, Feb. 2007 -- J. Archer d. J. Morra 13-4
IX, Aug. 2007 -- L. Vann Corteza d. L. Ulrich 13-7
X, Feb. 2008 -- J. Archer d. J. Sossei 13-8
XI, Aug. 2008 -- J. Archer d. C. Williams 13-6
XII, Feb. 2009 -- R. Souquet d. D. Hatch 13-7
XIII, Aug. 2009 -- O. Dominguez d. Z. Zvi 13-5
XIV, Dec. 2009 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-11
XV, Aug. 2010 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-8
XVI, Dec. 2010 -- C. Deuel d. S. Moore 13-11
XVII, Sept. 2011 -- R. Morris d. A. Pagulayan 13-7
XVIII, Dec. 2011 -- S. Van Boening d. R. Hundal 13-9
XIX, Aug. 2012 -- M. Dechaine d. S. Putnam 13-4
XX, Jan. 2013 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-5
XXI, Sept. 2013 -- E. Strickland d. J. Sossei 13-7
XXII, Sept. 2014 -- J. Shaw d. M. Immonen 13-6
XXIII, Jan. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. J. Morra 13-11
XXIV, Aug. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. M. Dechaine 13-10
XXV, Jan. 2016 -- M. Immonen d. E. Hjorleifson 13-2
XXVI, Aug. 2016 -- J. Shaw d. K. Corr 13-5
XXVII, Jan. 2017 -- J. Shaw d. R. Morris 13-6
XXVIII, Sept. 2017 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Shaw 13-4
XXIX, Jan. 2018 -- B. Thorpe d. D. Hatch 13-11
XXX, Aug. 2018 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-7
XXXI, Jan. 2019 -- J. Shaw d. S. Van Boening 13-7
XXXII, Aug. 2019 -- S. Van Boening d. E. Strickland 13-11
XXXIII, Jan. 2020 -- S. Van Boening d. A. Kazakis 13-6
XXXIV, Jan. 2022 -- J. Shaw d. F. Gorst 13-10
The 34 Turning Stone events have been won by 16 different players. Eleven players have won once, Bustamante and Immonen have each won twice, Van Boening and Archer have each won 6 times, and Shaw has won 7 times (all in the last 13 events).
The 34 events have seen 26 different players finish second. Twenty players have finished second once; Sossei, Immonen, Morra, and Archer have each been runner-up twice; Hatch and Morris have 3 runner-up finishes apiece.
Five of the event winners (who have accounted for 17 wins) and 8 of the runners-up (who have accounted for 12 second-place finishes) played this past week. Their names are shown in red.
The 68 finalists' spots in the 34 events have been filled by 34 different players. Nine of those 34 players (who have accounted for 29 finalists' spots) played this past week.
I, July 2000 -- M. Immonen d. F. Hernandez 13-2
II, May 2001 -- F. Bustamante d. E. Reyes 13-11
III, Aug. 2001 -- C. Williams d. M. Immonen 13-11
IV, Feb. 2005 -- S. Tavernier d. R. McCreesh 13-2
V, Aug. 2005 -- F. Bustamante d. D. Hatch 13-11
VI, Feb. 2006 -- T. Hohmann d. K. McCready 13-3
VII, Aug. 2006 -- J. Archer d. S. Sambajon 13-9
VIII, Feb. 2007 -- J. Archer d. J. Morra 13-4
IX, Aug. 2007 -- L. Vann Corteza d. L. Ulrich 13-7
X, Feb. 2008 -- J. Archer d. J. Sossei 13-8
XI, Aug. 2008 -- J. Archer d. C. Williams 13-6
XII, Feb. 2009 -- R. Souquet d. D. Hatch 13-7
XIII, Aug. 2009 -- O. Dominguez d. Z. Zvi 13-5
XIV, Dec. 2009 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-11
XV, Aug. 2010 -- J. Archer d. R. Morris 13-8
XVI, Dec. 2010 -- C. Deuel d. S. Moore 13-11
XVII, Sept. 2011 -- R. Morris d. A. Pagulayan 13-7
XVIII, Dec. 2011 -- S. Van Boening d. R. Hundal 13-9
XIX, Aug. 2012 -- M. Dechaine d. S. Putnam 13-4
XX, Jan. 2013 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-5
XXI, Sept. 2013 -- E. Strickland d. J. Sossei 13-7
XXII, Sept. 2014 -- J. Shaw d. M. Immonen 13-6
XXIII, Jan. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. J. Morra 13-11
XXIV, Aug. 2015 -- J. Shaw d. M. Dechaine 13-10
XXV, Jan. 2016 -- M. Immonen d. E. Hjorleifson 13-2
XXVI, Aug. 2016 -- J. Shaw d. K. Corr 13-5
XXVII, Jan. 2017 -- J. Shaw d. R. Morris 13-6
XXVIII, Sept. 2017 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Shaw 13-4
XXIX, Jan. 2018 -- B. Thorpe d. D. Hatch 13-11
XXX, Aug. 2018 -- S. Van Boening d. J. Archer 13-7
XXXI, Jan. 2019 -- J. Shaw d. S. Van Boening 13-7
XXXII, Aug. 2019 -- S. Van Boening d. E. Strickland 13-11
XXXIII, Jan. 2020 -- S. Van Boening d. A. Kazakis 13-6
XXXIV, Jan. 2022 -- J. Shaw d. F. Gorst 13-10
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With Shaw's win from the one-loss side at TS XXXIV, here's an update to the counts of winners who were undefeated versus those who came from the one-loss side:
The average score in the final matches is now 13 - 7.2.
And, still, no final match has ended at 13-0, 13-1, or 13-12.
15 undefeated (events, without the Roman numerals, # 2, 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 24, 26, 27, 29, 30, and 33)
19 with one loss
The average score in the final matches is now 13 - 7.2.
And, still, no final match has ended at 13-0, 13-1, or 13-12.
That's pretty interesting since 13-12 should be one of the more common results (if not the single most common result?) between two evenly matched players.
Well, 13-11 leads the pack with 8 occurrences; that's pretty close to even. But 13-7 is next with 6 occurrences.
I'm guessing that this is the highest finish for a woman at the TS.
I have not been watching for more than a couple years and I don't remember a woman ever getting to the top 8.
Karen Corr must play pretty darn sporty for that high of a finish in a tournament with so many top players.
Yes, Corr's 2nd-place finish in TSXXVI was the only time a woman has reached the finals at Turning Stone. She lost to Shaw in both the hotseat match and the finals. Three of Karen's wins were over Maksim Dudanets, Donny Mills, and Earl Strickland (in the semifinal match).