Not to correct you Mazin, but it's "tigerproducts.com". If you type in tigerproduct.com you get a different company.
Dave
Predator LD Carom Shaft Finally Available
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Not to correct you Mazin, but it's "tigerproducts.com". If you type in tigerproduct.com you get a different company.
Dave
well since that original post that zensteve just listed I did end up getting a tiger carom cue with the LD shaft. the deflection is definitely lower though it's not really night and day compared to a regular shaft. it plays really nice overall. that so far is the only LD shaft i've ever used for carom.
i'm really interested in testing predator's technology. i'm betting predator's deflection reduction will be something really noticeable compared to a regular shaft. the hollow bore is hard to compete against, nothing is lighter than air. i've played a lot with tiger's LD pool shafts and their carom shafts use a similar design. the tiger design is only moderately effective in reducing deflection. they core the front end with balsa which is good, but they way they do the tenon and ferrule adds back a lot of weight, which is the main thing preventing them from reducing deflection further IMO. the predator bore and ferrule design is much lighter overall. feel....well that's subjective, but definitely way different there. tiger is much more solid, though the predator feel improved a lot when they switch ferrule material to maxlite IMO.
overall though, i feel that deflection with carom cues is generally less than pool already, so the benefits may not be as great, but could still be significant. i think many people may warm up to it over time. i have noticed the biggest difference on long shots, it makes it a bit easier. anyways, it's nice to see the industry evolving, and it's always nice to have more options.
i'm really interested in testing predator's technology. i'm betting predator's deflection reduction will be something really noticeable compared to a regular shaft. the hollow bore is hard to compete against, nothing is lighter than air. i've played a lot with tiger's LD pool shafts and their carom shafts use a similar design. the tiger design is only moderately effective in reducing deflection. they core the front end with balsa which is good, but they way they do the tenon and ferrule adds back a lot of weight, which is the main thing preventing them from reducing deflection further IMO. the predator bore and ferrule design is much lighter overall. feel....well that's subjective, but definitely way different there. tiger is much more solid, though the predator feel improved a lot when they switch ferrule material to maxlite IMO.
overall though, i feel that deflection with carom cues is generally less than pool already, so the benefits may not be as great, but could still be significant. i think many people may warm up to it over time. i have noticed the biggest difference on long shots, it makes it a bit easier. anyways, it's nice to see the industry evolving, and it's always nice to have more options.
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I don't see the wood joint pin variant for sale anywhere, do you?
Did you order the cue from Europe or Korea?
I have many Molinari models in stock including the BL Series, SW Choi models, Blomdahl P3 models, and several full-splice (SP Series) that can ship now. There is a wait for new dual-tone Blomdahl cues which ship worldwide May 10th. I have four beautiful blue ones now up on the US store: 3cushioncues dot com
Predator 3c shafts are discounted 5% (use code "AZB") and are $285 on the store.
-Ira
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AZB discount code
The entry level Molinari cue (CRMSP14) is $520.18 ($494.19 with "AZB" discount) on the online store. Deflection performance is identical to the Molinari Torbjorn Blomdahl WorldCup Edition Predator P3 cues due to the fact that they share the same shaft. P3 Blomdahl cues are now on sale for $1240.80 ($1178.76 with discount).
For those that already have a Uni-Loc predator pool cue that want to try 3c, note that you can separately order authentic Predator 3C shafts for $299.95 ($285 with discount). These are guaranteed Predator factory installed Uni-loc joints (with solid Phenolic support), as opposed to blanks that are custom built with compatible fittings in the aftermarket and sold online out of discount billiard supply stores - not equivalent in terms of stability and playability.
-Ira
The entry level Molinari cue (CRMSP14) is $520.18 ($494.19 with "AZB" discount) on the online store. Deflection performance is identical to the Molinari Torbjorn Blomdahl WorldCup Edition Predator P3 cues due to the fact that they share the same shaft. P3 Blomdahl cues are now on sale for $1240.80 ($1178.76 with discount).
For those that already have a Uni-Loc predator pool cue that want to try 3c, note that you can separately order authentic Predator 3C shafts for $299.95 ($285 with discount). These are guaranteed Predator factory installed Uni-loc joints (with solid Phenolic support), as opposed to blanks that are custom built with compatible fittings in the aftermarket and sold online out of discount billiard supply stores - not equivalent in terms of stability and playability.
-Ira
I have been an advocate of LD shafts on carom cues for a long time. Some "experts" called it over-kill due to the nature of conical shafts.
The game itself requires pin-point accuracy = less deflection/squirt. Most of our top players have one variation/brand of an LD shaft today. Longoni/Adam/Tiger to name a few.
I didn't want to give anyone the impression that there was only one source for Predator carom cues. I don't only use this forum for my own personal gain. I am quite agnostic about suggesting one brand only.
$989 and $649 respectively
The game itself requires pin-point accuracy = less deflection/squirt. Most of our top players have one variation/brand of an LD shaft today. Longoni/Adam/Tiger to name a few.
I didn't want to give anyone the impression that there was only one source for Predator carom cues. I don't only use this forum for my own personal gain. I am quite agnostic about suggesting one brand only.
$989 and $649 respectively
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I've got one of the new predator carom cues and I have to say it really is a huge difference. some of the other aspects of a cue may be subjective and personal taste, but if you are just looking at the deflection rate, the predator blows all the other shafts away. i've tried other carom LD shafts and while they did reduce deflection to some degree, the predator's level of reduction is much much more effective. it may take some getting used to at first, but I noticed that certain shots are much easier to play with the predator. for example, cutting a ball very thin with extreme english over distance. in general, I feel you can get a more accurate hit on the ball using english. i'm very impressed with the predator offering
