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11-15-2019, 07:24 AM

when i was active playing i figured that if i went to an instructor i wouldn't get any better

so i never got any instruction,i was right about one thing

i didn't get any better
  
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11-15-2019, 08:25 AM

I took the lessons 10 years ago and never followed through.

Now currently I'm trying to go back to basics to try and make a jump in my game I should have made a few years ago
  
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11-15-2019, 08:27 AM

Hi Pete

Yup, Mother Drill #1. The Stroke workout drill. Strongest drill for the stroke I have ever seen.
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11-15-2019, 08:53 AM

This has helped me tremendously.
Make the ball and scratch.
Line up the right foot, chest, chin, grip and bridge.
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11-15-2019, 10:13 AM

I agree JoeyinCali. That's an excellent drill. One of the very first stroke drills that Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman showed me over 20 years ago. Also shoot that shot with stun to see if the CB wobbles to the side. And then shoot it with draw to see if your CB comes straight back.

I don't believe this is one of the Mother Drills, however.

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11-15-2019, 01:34 PM

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I agree JoeyinCali. That's an excellent drill. One of the very first stroke drills that Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman showed me over 20 years ago. Also shoot that shot with stun to see if the CB wobbles to the side. And then shoot it with draw to see if your CB comes straight back.

I don't believe this is one of the Mother Drills, however.

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Other variations I will add to this drill:

Also practice it with cue ball close to the rail (e.g. a ball dia away) and frozen to the rail.
  
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11-15-2019, 06:27 PM

Bert's Mighty X.
Stop shot to start.
Draw back into pocket next.
I believe the long, follow-it-in shot is shot #2 in his workout too.

When I'm practicing for an event the Mighty X is the first drill I do after my warmups. Usually take 15 mins or so then I'm on to the next drill.

Two weeks or so and I notice the difference in actual play.

State is in a month and a half and I have a couple titles to defend. I suppose I should start working on my game.


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11-16-2019, 09:17 PM

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I try to do 14 reps a day of Mother Drill #1.
SPF is the nutz.
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Do you (or any Professionl Instructor), ever recommend a student to emulate a stroke of a professional player?
At one time I had a habit of punching the ball when playing on a small table, so when I tried to play on a 8' or 9', I didn't do very well. I tried to emulate the unique stroke that Allen Hopkins' has, because I pretty much punched the cb. and I could never get the hang of his stroke, ( I even punched the cb worse), but I started doing a longer back swing, and improved tremendously, so I stuck with it.

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11-17-2019, 07:05 AM

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First off we have to develop our own style. Tough to emulate another human being.
Second we have to remember that there are only two different strokes. A good one & and bad one!
This is where an SPF Instructor can help.

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perfect practice - 11-17-2019, 10:10 PM

Nothing to say about the practice. Bert and others have excellent drills, you can use somebody else's or make your own up. However, if you can't shoot a straight in shot over and over with stop, draw, and follow, all of your shots have that inaccuracy plus they are compounded by other issues.

My contribution to the thread is a little toy called a laser level. Black and Decker makes one, no doubt others too. B&D's is about the height and width of a tape measure and twice as thick. Lay it on the table, turn it on, project a dead straight line across a table. Watch your own and other player's eyes. Set your notebook reinforcers and turn the laser off. It is very easy to not have the balls or donuts lined up perfectly straight, then you learn to "cheat" shots slightly so that it appears you are shooting straight. The laser level is/was fifteen or twenty bucks so it isn't going to break the bank. A useful toy around the house and shop too.

A third ball a foot from the pocket is also handy if you are shooting from corner to corner straight in. The cue ball near one corner pocket, a ball where the center dot between the side pockets would be, a ball a diamond out from the far corner pocket. When that second ball splits the pocket evenly, you hit the cue ball on the center line, you were lined up correctly, and your stroke was good.

Joe Tucker is another with excellent drills. That third ball is just a variation of one of his.

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11-17-2019, 11:06 PM

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Do you (or any Professionl Instructor), ever recommend a student to emulate a stroke of a professional player?
At one time I had a habit of punching the ball when playing on a small table, so when I tried to play on a 8' or 9', I didn't do very well. I tried to emulate the unique stroke that Allen Hopkins' has, because I pretty much punched the cb. and I could never get the hang of his stroke, ( I even punched the cb worse), but I started doing a longer back swing, and improved tremendously, so I stuck with it.
Allison Fisher .
You should close your eyes when watching Hopkins' stroke.

Allison Fisher revolutionized the pool game in the US.
Buddy Hall, somehow did not get emulated by a ton of players.
Now, you can see the pros stroke like Fisher.


  
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11-18-2019, 01:59 AM

When I do the speed drill, especially # 3, before actually playing my game is much more consistent.

Time spent with Scott Lee years ago gave me the tools to improve. Just wish my retention was a bit better but people tell me that at 84 that is to be expected. SPF is always beneficial and has made playing much more fun over the years. Bad day? Just pause and put the elements together and the day gets better.
  
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11-19-2019, 02:06 PM

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Hi Pete

Yup, Mother Drill #1. The Stroke workout drill. Strongest drill for the stroke I have ever seen.
randyg
Randy--what do you think of Bert Kinnister's one handed drill? (I've also seen variations of it with IPAT and Jerry Breisath's video.) Thanks.
  
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11-21-2019, 10:37 AM

All due respect to the instructors on here trying to drum up work and revenue, but if you want a stroke drill that will truly help, along with how to line up, stance and such, go to youtube and search for Pools biggest secrets 3. Tor Lowry has a free video that is over an hour long that starts with stance, moves on to grip and then goes to stroke/stroke drill as well as follow stun and draw practice. Once you are done with what he tells you to do, you should be pretty good on fundamentals.
  
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11-21-2019, 01:52 PM

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Do you (or any Professionl Instructor), ever recommend a student to emulate a stroke of a professional player?
At one time I had a habit of punching the ball when playing on a small table, so when I tried to play on a 8' or 9', I didn't do very well. I tried to emulate the unique stroke that Allen Hopkins' has, because I pretty much punched the cb. and I could never get the hang of his stroke, ( I even punched the cb worse), but I started doing a longer back swing, and improved tremendously, so I stuck with it.
Hopkins was a natural born talent, not always the guys to emulate.
  
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