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11-16-2019, 08:15 AM

Perp asked the cop which finger he was holding up.

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11-16-2019, 08:37 AM

Poor kid just wanted to return to his quarters.


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11-17-2019, 12:53 AM

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I have had a number of friends who have been cops over the years .There are good cops and bad cops. We don't want to over- generalize. The pressure, the dangers, the hate, drugs, working with CIs. It's a mess! Not a job I'd want. We had a dirty deputy sheriff convicted in my area this week.
I had a deputy sheriff believe his lying, drug dealing, vicious CI over a friend of mine several months ago.
Interesting comment, are there also bad teachers?


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11-17-2019, 06:26 AM

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Interesting comment, are there also bad teachers?
Absolutely not. Only in the minds of Right wingers on AZ who were spoiled brats in school and didn't get their way and grew up hating their teachers. And now spend their time on here trying to convince intelligent folks that every single public school teacher is a commie trying to warp little children's minds, and we would be better off having crack head mamma home-school her kids or send them to an elite private school.


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11-17-2019, 08:16 AM

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Lack of training. Excessive use of force towards an unarmed suspect.
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11-17-2019, 11:35 AM

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I have had a number of friends who have been cops over the years .There are good cops and bad cops. We don't want to over- generalize. The pressure, the dangers, the hate, drugs, working with CIs. It's a mess! Not a job I'd want. We had a dirty deputy sheriff convicted in my area this week.
I had a deputy sheriff believe his lying, drug dealing, vicious CI over a friend of mine several months ago.
Not a job I would want either. There are good cops and bad cops as we all know. What we should all agree on is justice. When a bad cop is caught, he should be punished by the law that he is supposed to be upholding.


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11-17-2019, 01:17 PM

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Not a job I would want either. There are good cops and bad cops as we all know. What we should all agree on is justice. When a bad cop is caught, he should be punished by the law that he is supposed to be upholding.
When a bad cop is caught qualified immunity should out the window and his victims should be allowed to take him for all he/she is worth.


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Not a job I would want either. There are good cops and bad cops as we all know. What we should all agree on is justice. When a bad cop is caught, he should be punished by the law that he is supposed to be upholding.
I most certainly agree with you.


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When a bad cop is caught qualified immunity should out the window and his victims should be allowed to take him for all he/she is worth.
Sometimes that happens. Other times the corruption runs deeper.


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Absolutely not. Only in the minds of Right wingers on AZ who were spoiled brats in school and didn't get their way and grew up hating their teachers. And now spend their time on here trying to convince intelligent folks that every single public school teacher is a commie trying to warp little children's minds, and we would be better off having crack head mamma home-school her kids or send them to an elite private school.
From your posts on teaching over the years, I’m thinking you’re one of the good guys.

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I have a friend who’s in the law business, and she’s an atheist....
...when her daughter got to school age, she enrolled her in a Catholic school.
She won’t discuss it, but she obviously doesn’t think much of public education.

And it’s getting a lot worse


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This is why cops are assassinated.

Video showing teen with no arms or legs being tackled and pinned by deputy prompts Arizona investigation

The shirtless 15-year-old screams as he lies facedown on the kitchen floor of his group home in Tucson, Arizona. He has no arms or legs, so he can't flee or fight back. A sheriff's deputy at least twice his size is crouching over him and pinning him to the ground, using his body weight to restrain the quadruple amputee.

The eight-minute cellphone video has now prompted an internal affairs investigation at the Pima County Sheriff's Department, according to KOLD, which first published the footage on Thursday.

But Pima County Public Defender Joel Feinman told The Washington Post that the disturbing incident likely wouldn't have come to light if it weren't for another teenager at the group home, who filmed the confrontation and then had his head slammed into the wall by deputies.

"These are kids who have already been traumatized in some way," said Feinman, whose office is representing both boys. If a parent reacted to their teenager acting up in the same way the deputy did, he added, "they might be arrested for child abuse.

While most information about the teens is being withheld to protect their privacy, Feinman said that Immanuel, the 15-year-old quadruple amputee, is in state custody because he was abandoned by his parents. On the morning of Sept. 26, an adult who works at the group home called police to report that Immanuel had knocked over a trash can and was yelling and screaming. Feinman isn't sure what riled the teen and, in his opinion, it doesn't matter.

"Fifteen-year-olds who have not been through what Immanuel went through act out all the time," he said.

The deputy from the Pima County Sheriff's Department who responded to the call determined that Immanuel was disturbing the peace, and decided to restrain him, Feinman said. That's when C.J., a 16-year-old who also lives at the group home, began surreptitiously filming from an adjoining room.

At the video's start, a white deputy in wraparound sunglasses can be seen kneeling on the ground and holding the black teenager in a headlock. Immanuel grows increasingly upset, his voice rising to a frantic shriek as he tells the officer not to hold him down.

When the deputy loosens his grip, Immanuel tries to shake him off and break free, but he doesn't get far. The officer tackles him, wrapping his arms around the teenager and practically lying on top of him as he wrestles him to the floor. An uncomfortable minute passes as the quadruple amputee swears and screams at the deputy, who uses one forearm to hold him pressed to the ground.

Eventually, Immanuel stops protesting and the officer lets him get up, asking him what his problem is, and why he kept moving when he was told not to move. As the 15-year-old insists he doesn't have a problem, the cop gets louder, bending over so that his face is inches away from the teenager's.

"I will raise my voice to you whenever the [expletive] I want, you understand?" the officer yells.

C.J., who has been quietly filming the scene as he eats his breakfast in the next room, interrupts. "Hey, you asked him a question and he answered," he tells the deputy.

"Shut the hell up!" the cop snaps back. He tells the 16-year-old to go to his room; C.J. responds that he's eating his cereal and isn't allowed to be in his room. The deputy storms over, screaming at C.J. and telling him to stay out of something that doesn't involve him. "You shut the hell up!" he yells again. C.J. tells him to get out of his face.

"You're going to get arrested, too," the cop says.

A third teenager takes the phone and begins filming as C.J. is turned around and placed in handcuffs. Without warning, the deputy slams the head of the unsuspecting 16-year-old into the wall. There's a loud crash, and then the black teen is led to a squad car by the two officers, who appear to be white.

Both C.J. and Immanuel were jailed and charged with disorderly conduct, Feinman said. The deputy hadn't been wearing a body camera, but when C.J. met with his attorney from the public defender's office, he suggested watching the video he had captured before his arrest.

"We did, and it was horrific," Feinman said. He cried the first time he watched the footage, he said, as did many of his colleagues. "We're public defenders, so we have an iron stomach for a lot of things, but this was especially terrible."

Given that Immanuel has no legs and is missing most of his arms - and wasn't even wearing a shirt, making it unlikely that he could have somehow been hiding a concealed weapon - Feinman questions how he could have posed a threat to "this very large policeman with a badge and a gun." Regardless of what the teenager said to the officer, he argues, the better response would have been to sit down and try to de-escalate the situation.

The Pima County Sheriff's Department could not be reached for comment late Thursday night, but told KOLD that they hadn't previously been aware of the video and would launch an investigation. After the outlet's story aired on Thursday, the Pima County Attorney's Office dropped the charges against both teens, Feinman said.

"These are kids who live in a group home because they can't live with their parents," he added. "This is exactly the type of person that law enforcement needs to protect and defend. Instead we see them being treated like they're animals."

When I read this report rather than just skimming it there is heavy bias and spin all through it. When I look at the video, the cop actually appears to be handling the severely disabled young man as gently as possible. I haven't known a person with all four limbs missing but I knew a man with no trace of legs. What is left gets very strong if they do what they can for themselves. I noticed the youngster bounced from lying down to sitting like a rubber ball.

The fully functional sixteen year old "slammed" against the wall was put against the wall considerably gentler than I was a couple times when I was fifteen.

Finally, couldn't the writer have slipped the race card in more often. He missed a couple chances.

I expected something much more radical when I started to watch the video. Even the video edited down to the parts they wanted to whine about was no big deal, business as usual for cops. Holding the quadded kid on the floor with one hand wasn't exactly bearing down with all of the LEO's weight and even when controlling the youngster the cop is obviously staying on his hands and knees. I expected the usual full length sprawl from this report. The young man wasn't tiny as the "half his size" comments seem to indicate. Had the teen had full arms and legs his size would have been about the same as the cop's.

The usual cop overreach about recordings. Go record a cop doing his job and you are likely to get the same treatment.

The situation could have been handled better. Seems odd that the people at the home felt the need to call the cops to begin with. There was no way to put conventional restraints on the young man called about so when he wouldn't cooperate holding him down was the only option. The usual pisspoor training of cops caused him and them to escalate a situation they should have been calming but that has been my peeve for the last several decades. I would prefer dealing with thugs wearing colors to dealing with the cops in my state. It does seem to be at least a statewide issue, probably widespread.

The headlines and the report posted here led me to expect far worse than the article and video indicated. Much ado about nothing would be an overstatement but much ado about little is true. Absolutely no indication that race was involved anywhere but in the reporting also.

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From your posts on teaching over the years, I’m thinking you’re one of the good guys.

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I have a friend who’s in the law business, and she’s an atheist....
...when her daughter got to school age, she enrolled her in a Catholic school.
She won’t discuss it, but she obviously doesn’t think much of public education.

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I never discuss education on this forum anymore. That response was simply a silly answer to a silly question. Thanks for the compliment.


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From your posts on teaching over the years, I’m thinking you’re one of the good guys.

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But don’t fall into the trap of the equivalent to the blue code.
I have a friend who’s in the law business, and she’s an atheist....
...when her daughter got to school age, she enrolled her in a Catholic school.
She won’t discuss it, but she obviously doesn’t think much of public education.

And it’s getting a lot worse
Regarding Sangster's quote, I've always truly believed that. The first 25 years I loved teaching. The last years before retirement- not so much.


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