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i noticed that too when shane played shape on the 9 in the second game, nice to see these guys playing on tables the average player like myself would be using lol
I agree. The equipment last year was horrible, and much better this year. Danny Olson and Jesse Engel both said the TV table rolled off in inconsistent ways. We are all hoping for Diamonds earlier.

Funny Story. I was sitting watching Rory Hendrickson, Pro at Fargo Billiards, and he plays a stun shot but the cue ball rolls forward and he is dead hooked on the 8. Rory loses the game and says Rob I am going to break this cue ball as he squeezes it in his hand. It is alternate break and his break. He hits the cue ball into the rack a shit flies. At first I think it is his tip and ferrule. The cueball scratches, at least part of it does. The pieces that flew were parts of the cueball. The only part of the cueball left on the table was a quarter sized piece.

This happened twice in the same day!

Please bring us diamonds and good, non-weighted cue balls next year.

One last thing, the tables I had a chance to play on played well, but I am just a banger. I never play on Valley Tables, don't care for them, but I love the Diamonds at Fargo Billiards.


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4bears classic - 04-24-2012, 11:41 AM

i hope everyone had a good time and will come back.
a big thanks goes out to four bears casino and lodge (pat packineau, scott wilson ,spencer wilkinson) for their support and letting us have the tournament at the casino. without the casinos support we will not be able to have this tournament,they are the main money sponsor of the tourney. so if you are in the casino or can stop by or email them tell them what you think of the tournament. they just broke ground so the casino will have a new hotel and steak house for next years event, we would also like to thank ray hansen for the livestream all weekend.
we had alot of top players of the sport attend and alot of good advice and input on the tournament. each year we learn something new that will help improve the tournament and this year was no diffrent. their were alot great people that offered advice and support for next years tournament so we are already starting on the right foot for next year. a goal every year is to have a full field, good equipement and provide the best payouts for the players.
so thanks to everyone who attended and helped we fill the tournament was a success and we are looking forward to seeing you all again at next years tournament (22nd annual four bears 8ball classic)

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we try our best on the epquipment, next year we will try to arrange something with diamond but in our situation its either good tables that cost$$$$ or put that money towards the payouts? hmm where should we put that $$$$$?
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I agree. The equipment last year was horrible, and much better this year. Danny Olson and Jesse Engel both said the TV table rolled off in inconsistent ways. We are all hoping for Diamonds earlier.

Funny Story. I was sitting watching Rory Hendrickson, Pro at Fargo Billiards, and he plays a stun shot but the cue ball rolls forward and he is dead hooked on the 8. Rory loses the game and says Rob I am going to break this cue ball as he squeezes it in his hand. It is alternate break and his break. He hits the cue ball into the rack a shit flies. At first I think it is his tip and ferrule. The cueball scratches, at least part of it does. The pieces that flew were parts of the cueball. The only part of the cueball left on the table was a quarter sized piece.

This happened twice in the same day!

Please bring us diamonds and good, non-weighted cue balls next year.

One last thing, the tables I had a chance to play on played well, but I am just a banger. I never play on Valley Tables, don't care for them, but I love the Diamonds at Fargo Billiards.
  
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some results - 04-24-2012, 11:55 AM

HERE ARE SOME RESULTS, WE WILL POST ALL THE RESULT SOON. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE PLAYER ,SPONSORS,VEDORS FOR ALL THEIR SUPPORT WITHOUT THEM THEM THIS TOURNAMENT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

IT WAS GREAT MEETING ALL THE PLAYERS FROM ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND CANADA. WE HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GOOD TIME .


OVER $56,000.00 PAID OUT THIS WEEKEND
TOTAL CALCUTTA WAS OVER$19,000.00


MENS DIVISION 149 ENTRYS
$60.00 Entry Fee
$8,940.00 Total Entry Money
$10,660.00 Total Money Added
$19,600.00 Total Pay Out


1st $4,500.00 MARK HADDAD
2nd $2,500.00 JESSE ENGLE
3rd $1,500.00 DANNY OLSON
4th $1,000.00 ERIC DURBIN
5th $700.00 brady gollan
6th $700.00 gene albreght
7th $550.00 micheal perron jr
8th $550.00 DANNY WATSON



33Entries WOMENS DIVISION
$40.00 Entry Fee
$1,320.00 Total Entry Money
$3,380.00 Total Money Added
$4,700.00 Total Pay Out



1st $1,500.00 NICOLE KEENEY
2nd $1,000.00 MELISSA LITTLE
3rd $700.00 TIMI BLOOMBERG
4th $500.00 VAL WILHELMI
5th $300.00 stephaine barnes
6th $300.00 racheal nadeau
7th $200.00 julie bruenell
8th $200.00 mary plante
  
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Is this match archived online anywhere, I'd like to watch it if possible.


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understand - 04-24-2012, 01:20 PM

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we try our best on the epquipment, next year we will try to arrange something with diamond but in our situation its either good tables that cost$$$$ or put that money towards the payouts? hmm where should we put that $$$$$?
I totally understand your position. You guys do an amazing job with this tournament. The equipment was definitely better this year. Keep up the good work.

Thanks.

Maybe Halliburton, or Hess can help you out with those tables.


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Ray - 04-24-2012, 02:03 PM

I think you guys put on a GREAT tournament this year. Not that the other years were bad but you had a bunch of nail-bitter matches. This old guy on the rail had a lot of juices flowing during the matches. It was familiar of the excitement that was generated during the Mosconi Cup of a couple years ago.

I think the format and the tables seemed just fine. Someone posted earlier that here were the pros playing on the same tables that the majority of players play on. They had to overcome the same difficulties that the normal player contends with. You have proven that if the money is there, the players will come. If more players feel they have a chance, they will come.

I should also mention that it is good to see the exceptional players playing 8-ball on the Valley bar box. Like it or not, that is America's game.

From my view point, sitting in front of the computer watching Big Truck's PERFECT stream and commentary, I only have 2 comments that could be considered negative. Both are about the Eric Durbin vs Edwin Montal match.
Of course, my hindsight is perfect, so for what it's worth.
1) I know it's tough pulling out the unsportsmanship rule but I truly felt that it should have been done. His attitude and etiquette was a far cry from any resemblence of sportsmanship. I was actually rooting for him before the match began. One game into the match, I was rooting for Edwin against my money. I just think that if he was doing that stuff on this match, he had been doing it throughout the tournament and should have been called on it well before this match was played. Sometimes referees have to get involved even though not called to the table by the opponent. Yes, Edwin should have called him on it immediately, but one could see he just wanted to play pool and not have a confrontation of any kind with a real possible "loose cannon".
2) My only other thought is the confusion of the BCA (WPA rules) and the BCA Players League rules. I didn't see anything on the posters as to what rules were being played. That might be a good idea for the future. That BIH anywhere call is a big difference.

All in all, an absolute wonderful tournament, super stream and good commentary. Hopefully, next year I can get up there and play in it. Last time I played it was still the Kelly Demmary tournament, a friend and someone who played in my room in East Grand Forks.

Good Job and kudos to all involved!!!!

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4bears classic - 04-24-2012, 03:04 PM

for sure the BIH, rules need to be posted and a ref is needed,the sportmanship issue will also be fixed, he was warned during that match with montel and seemed to calm down . we will fix that for sure, i didnt mean to come across negative or upset if i did. we got alot of good advise this weekend. and some who were negative. we try our best to provide all who attend a great experiance and a fun and fair tournament. we try to spead the money out so its not so top heavy and that more have a chance to cash in. 100 percent of the $$$ we raise or get is given back to the players, i dont think a lot of people know that the committee makes nothing, gets nothing, its all voulenteer work, we do it for the players and memories, where else in north dakota or surrounding area can you talk to,play and watch the worlds best. we are going to work hard this year on getting the best tables and better payouts. sponsors are always need maybe we can get a oil company involved also the casino started the new hotel and steak house so that will help with rooms.

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04-24-2012, 03:41 PM

The only problem I had was with the womens championship, did you have to call nicole to the table? Then when she finally showed up she went out had a cig came back and started hitting balls. Seemed like we sat there for at least a half hour after the match was called. I could tell it got Melissa peeved and she didn't play all that well.
  
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04-24-2012, 04:04 PM

Sloppy pockets,inconsistent rails,very slow napped cloth and the very bad Valley Arimyth green logo cue balls.Everything put together to cut corners.Primitive conditions that have the effect of dumbing down the game.

Enhance the competition and profits will follow.Get rid of the Valleys.

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for sure the BIH, rules need to be posted and a ref is needed,the sportmanship issue will also be fixed, he was warned during that match with montel and seemed to calm down . we will fix that for sure, i didnt mean to come across negative or upset if i did. we got alot of good advise this weekend. and some who were negative. we try our best to provide all who attend a great experiance and a fun and fair tournament. we try to spead the money out so its not so top heavy and that more have a chance to cash in. 100 percent of the $$$ we raise or get is given back to the players, i dont think a lot of people know that the committee makes nothing, gets nothing, its all voulenteer work, we do it for the players and memories, where else in north dakota or surrounding area can you talk to,play and watch the worlds best. we are going to work hard this year on getting the best tables and better payouts. sponsors are always need maybe we can get a oil company involved also the casino started the new hotel and steak house so that will help with rooms.
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competition was there, and we are not looking for profits.
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Sloppy pockets,inconsistent rails,very slow napped cloth and the very bad Valley Arimyth green logo cue balls.Everything put together to cut corners.Primitive conditions that have the effect of dumbing down the game.

Enhance the competition and profits will follow.Get rid of the Valleys.
Cutting corners? Cmon man this isn't the U.S. Open it's a memorial tournament in a town of less than 2,000 people. People like you are bad for the game, there was 87 players in the nine ball and almost 150 in the eight ball, I don't think the competition needed to be enhanced. I do hate the cue ball, but valley tables aren't that bad and the championship cloth might not be simonis but it plays alright. Loved watching those guys play on sunday, didn't look like too many equipment issues were hurting their ability.
  
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Sloppy pockets,inconsistent rails,very slow napped cloth and the very bad Valley Arimyth green logo cue balls.Everything put together to cut corners.Primitive conditions that have the effect of dumbing down the game.

Enhance the competition and profits will follow.Get rid of the Valleys.
I think all the things you mentioned actually enhance the game. (Wow, am I gonna get it for that statement.) I contend that the better players actually have to play to their full potential and get a roll or two to do well. A mistake by anyone is costly on those Valleys. It's too easy of an excuse to blame the equipment.

Geno, while commentating, talked about how the rails calmed down after getting played on. He said that early in the tournament the were "slip, sliding, away." Gene apparently adjusted his game to what the equipment would offer. Good players do that. Remember when we played with the mud ball or the oversized ball. We had to adjust our game accordingly. The same is true for everything you mentioned.

In tournaments, especially if I knew the equipment was suspect, I would get to the table ASAP to check rails, rolls and cueball. It would tell me what shots I could and couldn't try. I would never presume that the table was perfect.

The same for pockets. Tight pockets take away some possible shots. Loose pockets allow for a greater variance in shots. We all know (or should know) that tight pockets force the game to be played different than loose pockets. Shape needs to be played different and shot selection is definitely different. Which way is better? I think that's an individual choice. I personally like the more open pockets just so I can see a wide variety of shots. Shots that wouldn't even be attempted with tight pockets.

I thought the equipment was just fine.


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