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What is “the better player”? - 05-09-2012, 08:12 PM

There seems to be a belief in the pool world that a long race will decide the better player. What criteria is used to decide what “better player” means?

Let’s try to break it down in no particular order of importance.
Shot-making
Position play
Safety play
Kicking ability
Breaking ability
Banking ability
Pattern play
Stamina
Mental Process
Stress/Anxiety

If these are the top 10 characteristics of “the better player”, they now need to be assigned a percentage of importance for your version of “better player”. The top will get 100 points and the bottom 10 points.

Please post your list by order of importance so I can track where you place the most importance. Please post it something like this, the most important on top, the least important on bottom. Here is mine.

Shot-making
Position play
Breaking ability
Pattern play
Safety play
Kicking ability
Banking ability
Mental Process
Handling Stress/Anxiety
Stamina

I’ll try to compile the results once a day so we can find out what AZ’ers believe is the better player. Please, no explanations needed. That can be done in separate threads if you want to voice opinions of importance. It will just be easier for me that way.

I'll compile in the next post down.

Thanks, have some fun with this.


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Compiled results - 05-09-2012, 08:20 PM

Shot-making
560
Position play
500
Mental Process
350
Pattern play
350
Safety play
330
Breaking ability
310
Handling Stress/Anxiety
270
Kicking ability
240
Stamina
200
Banking ability
190


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05-09-2012, 08:38 PM

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What criteria is used to decide what “better player” means?
Winning is a good place to start.


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05-09-2012, 08:41 PM

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Winning is a good place to start.
Yeah, they lost me with the list

longer sets give the better player a chance to win. Whomever wins is the best player

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05-09-2012, 08:47 PM

1 Shot-making
2 Position play
3 Handling Stress/Anxiety
4 Mental Process
5 Safety play
6 Pattern play
7 Kicking ability
8 Breaking ability
9 Banking ability
10 Stamina
  
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05-10-2012, 06:25 AM

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Yeah, they lost me with the list

longer sets give the better player a chance to win. Whomever wins is the best player

nuff sed,
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"duh, ralph"
Keeping with a current popular thread topic, maybe sharking should be added to the list.
  
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05-10-2012, 07:04 AM

your percentages of importance will be different for each player
everyone has their strengths and weknesses
its the whole being greater than the sum
how you you put your package together determines who is the better player
the final judge
who wins is the better player
  
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05-10-2012, 10:27 AM

I find it interesting that several so far have stamina listed last, when that seems to be a major factor for the "long race" of which this thread is talking about. My list coming (still need to think where stamina should fall).


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05-10-2012, 10:32 AM

Shot-making
Position play
Breaking ability (may be lower depending on the game. More important in 8,9,10 ball)
Safety play
Stamina
Stress/Anxiety
Pattern play
Mental Process
Banking ability
Kicking ability


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05-10-2012, 10:37 AM

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I find it interesting that several so far have stamina listed last, when that seems to be a major factor for the "long race" of which this thread is talking about. My list coming (still need to think where stamina should fall).
Seems pretty obvious to me- I am in pretty good shape but haven't played any serious pool for a while.

All things equal, who are you gonna bet on: the guy who has been playing pool for the last year or the guy who has been jogging for a year?
  
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05-10-2012, 10:49 AM

Stamina
Mental Process
Handling Stress/Anxiety
Shot-making
Position play
Breaking ability
Pattern play
Kicking ability
Banking ability
Safety play
  
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05-10-2012, 10:56 AM

Shot-making
Position play
Pattern play
Safety play
Kicking ability
Banking ability
Breaking ability
Mental Process
Handling Stress/Anxiety
Stamina

Or; depending on the length of definition

Mental Process
Shot-making
Position play
Pattern play
Safety play
Kicking ability
Banking ability
Breaking ability
Handling Stress/Anxiety
Stamina

I personally would need more clear definitions for some of these AND need to explain my answers, there are too many variables.
  
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05-10-2012, 11:09 AM

I doubt many will agree, but here's my take. Shotmaking shouldn't be above #4. Position and safety play should both be top 3 since controlling whitey is the most difficult aspect of the game. I'd throw mental in the top 3 as well - it's much bigger to be smart enough to duck and skilled enough to do it effectively than it is to be a great shotmaker who occasionally makes the miracle shot. Show me a guy who is even money to make an impossible shot, and I'll show you a guy who goes down in flames 50% of the time. Order doesn't really matter, IMO, after the first 5 or so. Get your mind and cueball under control and the rest will come.

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05-10-2012, 12:05 PM

I took stamina to mean being able to maintain a high level of play consistently throughout the entire long match. I guess it depends on definition of the attributes as someone else mentioned earlier.


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Seems pretty obvious to me- I am in pretty good shape but haven't played any serious pool for a while.

All things equal, who are you gonna bet on: the guy who has been playing pool for the last year or the guy who has been jogging for a year?


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I doubt many will agree, but here's my take. Shotmaking shouldn't be above #4. Position and safety play should both be top 3 since controlling whitey is the most difficult aspect of the game. I'd throw mental in the top 3 as well - it's much bigger to be smart enough to duck and skilled enough to do it effectively than it is to be a great shotmaker who occasionally makes the miracle shot. Show me a guy who is even money to make an impossible shot, and I'll show you a guy who goes down in flames 50% of the time. Order doesn't really matter, IMO, after the first 5 or so. Get your mind and cueball under control and the rest will come.

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