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What cues did the HOF'ers use? - 09-17-2012, 05:39 PM

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There have been many threads with the cues players use today. What about the older greats? What cue did they use? I read about these old greats and rarely does it mention the cue that they played/are playing with. I really would like to know. I assume they all didn’t use a Brunswick cue even though they have produced some of the greatest cuemakers ever. Please help fill in the blanks. I will update as necessary. Thanks, Jay. PS…I’m sure I forgot some of the greats. If you know what cue they used please add their name to the list. Thanks.

Ralph Greenleaf - Brunswick, Ralph Greenleaf model

Willie Hoppe – I believe used a Herman Rambo as part of Rambo’s cues had what is known as the Hoppe ring.

Charlie Peterson - ?

Welker Cochran - Harvey Martin cue

Alfred DeOro - Rambo?

Willie Mosconi – Used a Rambo to set his 526 ball record – Also used a Balabushka with a Burton Spain forearm - Helmstetter

Jake Schaffer, Sr - Herman Rambo

Jake Schaffer, Jr - Rambo?

Harold Worst - ?

Frank Taberski - ?

Johnny Layton - ?

Cicero Murphy - Balabushka

Jimmy Caras – I assumed he used a Brunswick since he worked for them. Exactly what kind??? Rambo early and many others during career, he is also known to have use an Adams cue made by Richard Helmstetter.

Irving Crane - Balabushka and Rambo.

Steve Mizerak - Balabushka, Boti, Tascarella, Richard Black, later 90's, Mizerak used a Dennis Searing cue.

Dorothy Wise - ?

Joe Balsis - Frank Paradise and Balabushka

Rudolph “Minnesota Fats” Wanderone - Rambo?

Jean Balukas - Balabushka and Richard Black?

Lou Butera - Bert Schrager

Erwin Rudolph - ?

Andrew Ponzi - ?

Mike Sigel – World 14.1 championships 1979 – 1981, probably used a Joss. 1985 14.1 and his World 9 ball in 1985? (assume those were Meucci wins in ’85)

Nick Varner – What cue was he using in his 1980 World 14.1 championship? A Joss by Danny Janes until 1996.. Was the same cue used in his 1986 World 14.1 Championship and great 1986 winning spree? He contracted with Meucci from96 to 99. He changed to a McDaniel and proceeded to win a World open 9 ball, a Mizerack senior tour tournament, a world championship one-pocket and a Derby City one-pocket championship. He then became sponsored by Falcon. Presently, he uses his own brand cue at.

Ray Martin – Did he use the same cue for all his World 14.1 titles, ’71, ’74 and ’78? Gus Szamboti cues. I believe he won his first world title with a Balabushka and the next 2 with his Szamboti. He his now using a
60" Philippine cue.

Cecil P. “Buddy” Hall – How many different cues did he use to win? Meucci, Huebler and Bludworth

Mike Massey - McDermott and Meucci and Scruggs

Alan Hopkins - Balabushka, Boti, Frank Coster during his heyday and Lambros

U.J. Puckett - Tad

Luther Lassiter - Gina

Many pros had many cues given to them, or they tried different cues through out their careers. We have had Palmers that were Balsis, a Gina cue for Lassiter and one for Minnesota Fats...


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09-17-2012, 08:44 PM

I am fairly certain that Joe Balsis played with a Frank Paradise cue, although it may have been a Palmer.

Mike Sigel played with Joss Cues, made by Dan Janes, in the 1970's - early 80's.

As did Nick Varner in the mid-late 80's.

I remember seeing Steve Mizerak playing with a gorgeous ebony Balabushka in the mid-late 70's.

I believe it was Brunswick that made a Ralph Greenleaf Cue that was a predecessor to the Hoppe Cues. There are pictures of him playing with these cues, taken in the 1940's for sure, maybe even the 1930's.

Prior to the 1930's, most of the good players were shooting with something that came out of Brunswick.
  
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09-17-2012, 08:56 PM

Mike Massey used a Meucci at one time and McDermott...probably a few others.

I remember Allen Hopkins used to use a Lambros, but I know he has used a few others too.
  
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09-17-2012, 09:12 PM

I know Mizerak played with a Balabushka in the late 70's and had Gus make him a cue in the early 80's.


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09-18-2012, 06:55 AM

I'm sure that Schaefer Sr. wouldnt have used a Rambow as a youngster, but later on he did.

the newspapers say he made cues for (at least):

Minnesota Fats
Mosconi
Gleason
Newman
Sam Snead
Milton Berle
Willie Hoppe
Alfred D'oro
Cap Anson
Bo Belinsky
Jake Schaefer Sr. (also travelled with him)
George H Sutton (armless)
Francis (Frank) Anderson (man who played dressed like a woman)

I cant see him not making a cue for schaefer jr., although jr did take up residence on the west coast for a while.
  
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I'm sure that Schaefer Sr. wouldnt have used a Rambow as a youngster, but later on he did.

the newspapers say he made cues for (at least):

Minnesota Fats
Mosconi
Gleason
Newman
Sam Snead
Milton Berle
Willie Hoppe
Alfred D'oro
Cap Anson
Bo Belinsky
Jake Schaefer Sr. (also travelled with him)
George H Sutton (armless)
Francis (Frank) Anderson (man who played dressed like a woman)

I cant see him not making a cue for schaefer jr., although jr did take up residence on the west coast for a while.
On page 315 of the Billiard Encyclopedia (3rd Ed), is a list of legendary players from the first 70 years of the last century, who used either Rambow or Harvey Martin cues.

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09-18-2012, 09:52 AM

Mosconi also was well known for playing with a Balabushka. One of his Bushkas, with a Spain forearm, sold at auction not long ago for $80K:

http://www.huntauctions.com/live/ima...=352&lot_qual=


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Thanks - 09-18-2012, 12:34 PM

Thank you topcat. It's interesting to note the stranglehold Brunswick had on the cue industry.

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I am fairly certain that Joe Balsis played with a Frank Paradise cue, although it may have been a Palmer.

Mike Sigel played with Joss Cues, made by Dan Janes, in the 1970's - early 80's.

As did Nick Varner in the mid-late 80's.

I remember seeing Steve Mizerak playing with a gorgeous ebony Balabushka in the mid-late 70's.

I believe it was Brunswick that made a Ralph Greenleaf Cue that was a predecessor to the Hoppe Cues. There are pictures of him playing with these cues, taken in the 1940's for sure, maybe even the 1930's.

Prior to the 1930's, most of the good players were shooting with something that came out of Brunswick.


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Thanks - 09-18-2012, 12:35 PM

Interesting that Hopkins uses/used a Lambros.

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Mike Massey used a Meucci at one time and McDermott...probably a few others.

I remember Allen Hopkins used to use a Lambros, but I know he has used a few others too.


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Thank you Tiddler - 09-18-2012, 12:38 PM

I appreciate your response and the information. I kind of would have figured that for some reason.

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I know Mizerak played with a Balabushka in the late 70's and had Gus make him a cue in the early 80's.


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Thanks - 09-18-2012, 12:40 PM

Mr. Bond, I have been reading your posts for a long time now, You are forever a fountain of information. I thank you for your input on this thread.

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I'm sure that Schaefer Sr. wouldnt have used a Rambow as a youngster, but later on he did.

the newspapers say he made cues for (at least):

Minnesota Fats
Mosconi
Gleason
Newman
Sam Snead
Milton Berle
Willie Hoppe
Alfred D'oro
Cap Anson
Bo Belinsky
Jake Schaefer Sr. (also travelled with him)
George H Sutton (armless)
Francis (Frank) Anderson (man who played dressed like a woman)

I cant see him not making a cue for schaefer jr., although jr did take up residence on the west coast for a while.


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Thanks Mr. Lutz - 09-18-2012, 12:45 PM

While I do not have access to that publication, thatnk you for the information. I guess Rambo's were used if you were from the right coast and Martins were used if you were from the left coast. Is that right?



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Thanks Dogs - 09-18-2012, 12:48 PM

Wow, does that mean if someone came up with the Rambo he used to set the record it would go for $100,000+? I wonder if the person that bought it plays much pool? Interesting tidbit.


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Mosconi also was well known for playing with a Balabushka. One of his Bushkas, with a Spain forearm, sold at auction not long ago for $80K:

http://www.huntauctions.com/live/ima...=352&lot_qual=


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09-18-2012, 07:28 PM

Frank Coster built cues in the 1980's and made one for Allen Hopkins which he played with for many years.

The cue I saw Jean Balukas playing with in the late 70's early 80's almost certainly had to have been a Balabushka. I'd be surprised if it was anything other.

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09-18-2012, 07:35 PM

Jimmy Caras was given cues by many different cue builders. He had a very fancy Adams cue that had been built for him by Richard Helmstetter in the late 60's or early 70's. But, during his competition years, he most likely used some sort of Brunswick cue since he was on their exhibition staff starting in the 1930's.
  
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