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Changing pins - 09-03-2019, 01:23 PM

If you change the pin of a shaft does that change the way the shaft plays ?
  
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09-03-2019, 01:35 PM

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09-03-2019, 02:31 PM

I dont know ... I'm not s mechanic !!! ✔️
  
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09-03-2019, 08:17 PM

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If you change the pin of a shaft does that change the way the shaft plays ?

Be more specific with your question.
From what to what?
Ex.
From 5/16 to uni loc quick release. No
From 5/16 to radial. Yes.


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09-03-2019, 10:48 PM

From 5/16 to radial ...
  
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09-04-2019, 06:04 AM

[QUOTE=Michael Webb;6470659]Be more specific with your question.
From what to what?
Ex.
From 5/16 to uni loc quick release. No
From 5/16 to radial. Yes.[/QUOTE]

why?
as long as the shaft and butt are connected tight and centered what difference does it make?
as a side note (sorry for the mini hijack)
is it not true that that you cant tell what type a joint a cue has ?(ie ivory vs stainless steel vs phenolic vs piloted vs flat faced??)
  
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09-04-2019, 09:51 AM

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Be more specific with your question.
From what to what?
Ex.
From 5/16 to uni loc quick release. No
From 5/16 to radial. Yes.[/QUOTE]

why?
as long as the shaft and butt are connected tight and centered what difference does it make?
as a side note (sorry for the mini hijack)
is it not true that that you cant tell what type a joint a cue has ?(ie ivory vs stainless steel vs phenolic vs piloted vs flat faced??)

I knew I should have stayed off the Internet.
Please don't tell me your referring to that stupid blind test of multiple cues with the joints taped up. Until you try all of those changes to one cue and one shaft. You just don't know.
Here's a quote from a local player that I don't even respect because he thinks because he read it. It must be true. Lmao. Not anymore
He plays with a revo. Pretty consistant huh! Uni loc joint.
He tries one with a radial screw.
He says, I can't believe how much more solid the hit feels.
I laughed and walked away. He says, I know you said it but the Internet. I laughed again and said. Stay off the Internet.
There is not one single joint or shaft set up, that fits every player. Accept don't condemn.


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09-04-2019, 10:18 AM

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I knew I should have stayed off the Internet.
Please don't tell me your referring to that stupid blind test of multiple cues with the joints taped up. Until you try all of those changes to one cue and one shaft. You just don't know.
Here's a quote from a local player that I don't even respect because he thinks because he read it. It must be true. Lmao. Not anymore
He plays with a revo. Pretty consistant huh! Uni loc joint.
He tries one with a radial screw.
He says, I can't believe how much more solid the hit feels.
I laughed and walked away. He says, I know you said it but the Internet. I laughed again and said. Stay off the Internet.
There is not one single joint or shaft set up, that fits every player. Accept don't condemn.
We must spending money needlessly on good collar materials.
We should just use colored polymer.

I've tested cues with joint screws installed the night before.
Somehow after two days and the epoxy getting harder, they hit better .

I've replaced G-10 screw with brass. Way different hit.


But, the best joint screw story I heard was one guy who claims his Falcon cue hits much better than most Falcon cues because his had 5/16 18 instead of 5/16 14. I walked away and did not even try to tell him he was nuts.


  
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09-04-2019, 10:19 AM

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From 5/16 to radial ...
Not worth the trouble unless you want to add more weight on the butt.


  
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09-04-2019, 01:48 PM

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We must spending money needlessly on good collar materials.
We should just use colored polymer.

I've tested cues with joint screws installed the night before.
Somehow after two days and the epoxy getting harder, they hit better .

I've replaced G-10 screw with brass. Way different hit.


But, the best joint screw story I heard was one guy who claims his Falcon cue hits much better than most Falcon cues because his had 5/16 18 instead of 5/16 14. I walked away and did not even try to tell him he was nuts.
[QUOTE=Michael Webb;6470947]
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I knew I should have stayed off the Internet.
Please don't tell me your referring to that stupid blind test of multiple cues with the joints taped up. Until you try all of those changes to one cue and one shaft. You just don't know.
Here's a quote from a local player that I don't even respect because he thinks because he read it. It must be true. Lmao. Not anymore
He plays with a revo. Pretty consistant huh! Uni loc joint.
He tries one with a radial screw.
He says, I can't believe how much more solid the hit feels.
I laughed and walked away. He says, I know you said it but the Internet. I laughed again and said. Stay off the Internet.
There is not one single joint or shaft set up, that fits every player. Accept don't condemn.
Mike and joey
I asked because i trust your answers as opposed to beleiving without questioning what i read
Thanks for the replies
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09-04-2019, 11:14 PM

[QUOTE=bbb;6471146][QUOTE=JoeyInCali;6470972]

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Mike and joey
I asked because i trust your answers as opposed to beleiving without questioning what i read
Thanks for the replies
Larry

Hi Larry
The real answer is it's tuff action. I've built and repared cues with the major joint screws. 3/8x10, Radial, 3/8x11, 5/16x14 regular and acme and lastly 5/16x18. I would probably do the 3/8x10 acme to if one of my customers really wanted. I have the tooling. I think they're all very good. I control the tolerances because I make my own inserts if I need them. Except the uni loc quick release. It's not broke so why try to fix it and I haven't figured out exactly what the thread is yet. Maybe some day. But back to this topic. Most cues using a brass insert seem a little more flexible across the board compared to the joint screws going into wood. Depends on the inserts and amount of play in them.


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09-05-2019, 04:05 AM

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Hi Larry
The real answer is it's tuff action. I've built and repared cues with the major joint screws. 3/8x10, Radial, 3/8x11, 5/16x14 regular and acme and lastly 5/16x18. I would probably do the 3/8x10 acme to if one of my customers really wanted. I have the tooling. I think they're all very good. I control the tolerances because I make my own inserts if I need them. Except the uni loc quick release. It's not broke so why try to fix it and I haven't figured out exactly what the thread is yet. Maybe some day. But back to this topic. Most cues using a brass insert seem a little more flexible across the board compared to the joint screws going into wood. Depends on the inserts and amount of play in them.
Thanks Mike for the more detailed reply
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09-05-2019, 08:27 AM

As a sidenote I can mention that Mika Immonen was asked why he was playing with his old cue, instead of his $4000 Exceed MI4. He explained that it was in for a pin change, he could not get used to the wavy pin, he prefered the feel of the United Joint (5/16-14 piloted)



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09-05-2019, 12:30 PM

At least back when I started building cues and played a little better than I do now, I could tell the difference between 5/16 brass insert and the 3/8-10 pin. I could also tell the difference between piloted joint and flat faced joint, between stainless joint and phenolic and between phenolic and abs. I had a customer offer to take a cue for free or pay me full price and let me keep the cue if he could not tell the difference between a shaft with no insert and one with brass insert. I declined.
  
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09-05-2019, 10:25 PM

The problem with most people's interpretation of the difference is that they are usually talking about different cues or shafts, where the pin difference is likely the VERY LEAST of the factors that will make the cue hit or feel different.


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