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05-24-2012, 02:31 PM

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Speed pool is as much recognized cue sport as miniature golf is a recognized club sport. Actually, probably less.
Well lets be serious, it is probably not less. Once you are hitting a golf ball through a windmill you have gone quite far from a "sport".

Jason Kane plays well. He used to play at a higher level but over the years it seems his game dropped some, probably due to a lack of play. He is still a pretty strong player to run into in the open but he is certainly in the realm of a above average to strong "open" player these days at best IMO.
  
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05-24-2012, 02:58 PM

anyone in this thread want to play Bobby McGrath some?

or David Alcaide?

not sure why people discount someone that won a speed pool championship as not being a champion.


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05-24-2012, 03:13 PM

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anyone in this thread want to play Bobby McGrath some?

or David Alcaide?

not sure why people discount someone that won a speed pool championship as not being a champion.
That Bobby is something to watch. Look fast as it is over before you know what hit you!


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05-24-2012, 03:18 PM

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Got to that point Monday. Looked at the potential downfall of winning a match that would move me to the Advanced group. Actually didn't think of dumping. Just wanted to win. Tuesday morning the same situation occurred when I played the match for 7/8. Honestly did question whether or not I wanted a second visit to the Masters group. Once that match was history, found winning the Open became my only goal. Almost got there. Lost 5/4. Not sure if I'd have beaten either of the guys from Taiwan. It would have been interesting though!

The only people who questioned my finish were my Open teammates. They, like you, saw my participation in our team ending. Should I have dumped? Not a chance. May never have the opportunity again. I'll be back at 68 years young next year. Hope to have the honor to be the oldest active Master player! Already have an Advanced Team lined up. Anyone for Master Scotch Doubles?????

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My daughter has a 1st, 2nd and 5th iin the Open SD and a 3rd in the Masters.


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05-24-2012, 03:51 PM

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Jerry, I would have to question the logic behind this move?

Why travel to Vegas, pay for a room and then get to the small cash without trying for more?

It seems smarter to not even play in singles. Just play in the challenge room for more money. If this person doesn't want to be know as an Advanced/Master player then why pay the $125 entry for the Open and then dump?
Easy answer is that they understand the Loop Hole of the BCAPL in raising people from one division to another.

If a team fields 5 OPEN Players and they finish in the top 16 teams then they would all be moved up to Advanced the following year, UNLESS, individually they played in the OPEN Singles and DID NOT get in the top 48 spots.

Scenario A) Team X has 5 OPEN players, 3 of the players play in the OPEN Singles and all cash high enough to double or triple their money, but they don't crack the top 48 players. Team X plays in the Team event and wins the event ($12,500). The 3 players that all played the OPEN Division then get to stay in the OPEN Division the following year, based on their Singles Finish. The 2 players that did not play singles will be bumped up to Advanced the following year. If 2-3 of those OPEN Players also played scotch and finish in the top 8 or so, they are making even more money.


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05-24-2012, 04:46 PM

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Unfortunately it's true Mark. I saw it in 2011 first hand when a player who usually finishes in the top 16 in Scotch Doubles and top 32 in Teams was playing in the OPEN Singles, got to the 49th-64th place, was drilling the guy 4-0 and started shooting the 8 ball directly into the pocket, negotiated some sort of saver and made up some excuse that he had to catch a flight home, even though I saw him there for the team event 2 days later.
Just ran the numbers from 2012, and this player who dumped in 2011 cashed in 3 events this year for a grand total of $1,785. And guess what, he'll be in the OPEN Division again next year!


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05-24-2012, 05:04 PM

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05-24-2012, 05:12 PM

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Easy answer is that they understand the Loop Hole of the BCAPL in raising people from one division to another.

If a team fields 5 OPEN Players and they finish in the top 16 teams then they would all be moved up to Advanced the following year, UNLESS, individually they played in the OPEN Singles and DID NOT get in the top 48 spots.

Scenario A) Team X has 5 OPEN players, 3 of the players play in the OPEN Singles and all cash high enough to double or triple their money, but they don't crack the top 48 players. Team X plays in the Team event and wins the event ($12,500). The 3 players that all played the OPEN Division then get to stay in the OPEN Division the following year, based on their Singles Finish. The 2 players that did not play singles will be bumped up to Advanced the following year. If 2-3 of those OPEN Players also played scotch and finish in the top 8 or so, they are making even more money.
I think ALL players can play in the Open Singles. All five cannot play in the Open Team, they have to play in the Advanced. You can only be raised individually by playing in the singles. Not raised individually by playing team.


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05-24-2012, 05:18 PM

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anyone in this thread want to play Bobby McGrath some?

or David Alcaide?

not sure why people discount someone that won a speed pool championship as not being a champion.
It is not the player but the event they played in this case that is questioned. Just because someone wins a speed pool title does "not" mean they do not also shoot world class. Tiger Woods might win a mini-putt championship, does that mean he is suddenly less of an actual golfer? No, but the mini-putt championship is not the thing that defined him as great.

Forget the speed pool feats. Alcaide has won major Eurotour titles, the Predator 10-ball, got 3rd in the World 10-ball Championships, 3rd in the World 8-ball Championships, a 2nd in the US Open 10-ball, ect... His speed pool feats are a side show of a guy who has proven in real pool tournaments he can really play. He is an actual player who decided to do the side show speed pool thing and won that too, but that speed pool title is not what defines him as being a pro level pool player, his actual pool playing finishes do.
  
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05-24-2012, 05:27 PM

Sorry to wander off topic of the thread again........... But I give speed pool way more credit than artistic pool as far as how it translates to being good player as a general rule. Am I missing the boat on artistic pool?


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05-24-2012, 05:36 PM

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My daughter has a 1st, 2nd and 5th iin the Open SD and a 3rd in the Masters.
Hey doc,

Me and my doubles partner have a third in the Open Doubles under our belt. She fired me as soon as word got out I finished 5/6 . No Masters doubles for her. Or me!!!!

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Hey doc,

Me and my doubles partner have a third in the Open Doubles under our belt. She fired me as soon as word got out I finished 5/6 . No Masters doubles for her. Or me!!!!

Lyn
The 5th place came with me.

Then she dumped me for some real champions.


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05-24-2012, 07:23 PM

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I think ALL players can play in the Open Singles. All five cannot play in the Open Team, they have to play in the Advanced. You can only be raised individually by playing in the singles. Not raised individually by playing team.
Players that get in the top 16 from team, who DID NOT play singles OR DID get in the top 48 in singles will be bumped individually to ADVANCED.

The issue about dumping is that players can play singles, get to 49th place, triple their entry, dump, and could win the team and/or scotch doubles and make some good money, AND THEY REMAIN IN THE OPEN THE NEXT YEAR!

If a team of players were all capable of winning the team event and/or scotch, they could easily just play the singles, get in the money, donk it off and make money, then repeat, over and over. If all 5 of them played singles and didn't make the top 48, they could all play as a team again in the OPEN.


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Got to that point Monday. Looked at the potential downfall of winning a match that would move me to the Advanced group. Actually didn't think of dumping. Just wanted to win. Tuesday morning the same situation occurred when I played the match for 7/8. Honestly did question whether or not I wanted a second visit to the Masters group. Once that match was history, found winning the Open became my only goal. Almost got there. Lost 5/4. Not sure if I'd have beaten either of the guys from Taiwan. It would have been interesting though!

The only people who questioned my finish were my Open teammates. They, like you, saw my participation in our team ending. Should I have dumped? Not a chance. May never have the opportunity again. I'll be back at 68 years young next year. Hope to have the honor to be the oldest active Master player! Already have an Advanced Team lined up. Anyone for Master Scotch Doubles?????

Lyn

68 !?! And the babes are still chasing ya. Or is it the other way around.

But, then there was the old man who used to sit on his porch everyday.
On this particular day, while he was sitting on the porch, he sees this young boy approaching.
The old man says, "What do have there, boy?"
The boy says, "Chicken wire."
The old man says, "What are you going to do with chicken wire?"
The boy says, "I'm going to catch me some chickens!"
The old man says, "You can't catch chickens with chicken wire."
The boy says, "You watch."
About an hour goes by and here comes the boy dragging the chicken wire full of chickens.
The next day, the old man is sitting on the porch when he sees the boy again.
The old man says, "What do have there, boy?"
The boy says, "Duck tape."
The old man says, "What are you going to do with duct tape?"
The boy says, "I'm going to catch me some ducks!"
The old man says, "You can't catch ducks with duct tape."
The boy says, "You watch."
About an hour goes by and here comes the boy dragging the duct tape full of ducks.
The next day, the old man is sitting on the porch and here comes the boy.
The old man says, "What are you going to do with that stick, boy?"
The boy says, "This isn't any ordinary stick."
The old man says, "What do you mean?"
The boy says, "This here is pussy willow!"
The old man says, "Hold on, let me get my hat."


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Players that get in the top 16 from team, who DID NOT play singles OR DID get in the top 48 in singles will be bumped individually to ADVANCED.

The issue about dumping is that players can play singles, get to 49th place, triple their entry, dump, and could win the team and/or scotch doubles and make some good money, AND THEY REMAIN IN THE OPEN THE NEXT YEAR!

If a team of players were all capable of winning the team event and/or scotch, they could easily just play the singles, get in the money, donk it off and make money, then repeat, over and over. If all 5 of them played singles and didn't make the top 48, they could all play as a team again in the OPEN.
Don't remember it being like that. I know a team from our area came in 2nd in 2000 and all of them still played Open Singles the following year. All except 1, he came in 2nd in the Seniors.

I haven't played BCAPL since they incorporated the Advanced section. Guess they changed it.


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