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Racking At The US BB Championship - 02-28-2013, 10:53 AM

WHF? Why are they letting Corey and others load and unload the MR two and three times to get the rack fixed? I mean they are fixing the rack right before everones eyes and the TD won't put a stop to it? The MR's are made different by deferent companies that make them. When they are made too thin/flimsy the racker can reshape the the rack by pulling it out a tiny bit to aim a ball at a pocket. This is just one of many ways the MR can be fixed...but it takes awhile to get it right (cheat). Load the balls in the MR one time quickly and stop this aiming the rack and the patern racking that is done by everyone. There are many things wrong with pool that would be hard to fix, but something like this can be fixed in a sentence at the players meeting. You fix the rack and your gone...no matter who you are. Johnnyt


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Hey JT whats the deal? - 02-28-2013, 02:14 PM

I keep hearing that Dennis O is the best and he cant be beat because he is pattern racking..., well why aren the American players breaking and running out like he is?

Is it the rack or is he a better palyer who works harder and has more "WILL" to win? He cant break from the chair right?

So when its my turn at the table and I dont make a ball on the break or dont get out is that Dennis's fault or Corey's fault?
  
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02-28-2013, 11:15 PM

Have neutral rackers and it will take care of all the pattern racking an manipulating the rack.
  
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Referees are needed in these tournaments for more than one reason. Get 'R' done.
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Wink Referees are needed in these tournaments for more than one reason. Get 'R' done. - 03-01-2013, 12:16 AM

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Have neutral rackers and it will take care of all the pattern racking an manipulating the rack.
You are exactly right....why on earth can't simple things like this get fixed. I'm from the restaurant/bar business and this is a relatively simple matter, it just needs to be managed. This industry needs to be solution oriented, instead of problem oriented.

Referees are needed in these tournaments for more than one reason. Get 'R' done.



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03-01-2013, 10:15 AM

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WHF? Why are they letting Corey and others load and unload the MR two and three times to get the rack fixed? I mean they are fixing the rack right before everones eyes and the TD won't put a stop to it? The MR's are made different by deferent companies that make them. When they are made too thin/flimsy the racker can reshape the the rack by pulling it out a tiny bit to aim a ball at a pocket.
Johnny, you should really know what you're talking about before you publicly accuse champions of cheating.

1. You don't need to "manipulate" the magic rack to make balls go. They go easily with a perfectly tight rack.
They're 99% wired in 9b, they're 80% wired in 10b.

You can't just 'point balls at a pocket', the balls that drop are pointing 4-5 inches away from the hole.
They aren't like a wired 2 ball combo. They kiss off another moving ball.

2. One simple logical explanation besides assuming a world champion is cheating...
sometimes even with MBR the balls don't freeze right away, for example if one of them is a little smaller than the rest.
Corey is a perfectionist so he will start over until the rack is perfectly tight. That may mean moving the small ball to a different spot so it doesn't leave a gap.


3. One company makes the magic ball rack. They have changed it over the years but it's all the same product.
In fact I believe it's the work of one guy, and he's on AZbilliards:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpo...96&postcount=1

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03-01-2013, 10:27 AM

I have no experience in tournament play, so I'm really approaching this from Mars.

I agree that the breaker should not be allowed to "wire" balls, but isn't his opponent allowed to inspect the rack and complain if something is amiss? If Cory's actions were so apparent to you, I assume his opponent noticed it too.
  
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03-01-2013, 10:36 AM

I really don't think Corey was trying to cheat. He was complaining that the balls wouldn't
freeze. He tried a new MR in the 10 ball finals and still couldn't get them to freeze. He said said the balls weren't the same size. If he was manipulating the rack I think he would have made balls on the break consistently...he didn't!
  
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03-01-2013, 10:56 AM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

So apparently all of these guys have the skill to run out. Now some of them have the knowledge that others don't on how to rack and break so they can run out after the break regularly.

So who's to blame, the smart people who practiced and learned the method or the idiots who just complain about it?
  
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

So apparently all of these guys have the skill to run out. Now some of them have the knowledge that others don't on how to rack and break so they can run out after the break regularly.

So who's to blame, the smart people who practiced and learned the method or the idiots who just complain about it?
I agree. They all have the ability to run out from anywhere on the table. Only thing separating them is KNOWLEDGE of the break. People always argue about handicapped tournaments being bad for the game. Same concept can be applied here if you start punishing the players who know more about the game/rack. Racking is apart of the game isn't it?


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03-01-2013, 11:16 AM

Shouldn't magic rack tournaments be rack for your opponent anyhow?


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Shouldn't magic rack tournaments be rack for your opponent anyhow?
Then you're back to the complaining and re-racking.


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Pattern Racking (Toc) is the Nuts - 03-02-2013, 01:23 PM

Cheating only if it is against the rules in a tournament.

Look at Orcullo at the Swanne.
Can't wait for POV Pool to put it up on Youtube.

Orcullo meticulously placed the Magic Rack on the table.

I touch and move the balls in the Magic Rack to make sure they are touching........grin

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You are exactly right....why on earth can't simple things like this get fixed. I'm from the restaurant/bar business and this is a relatively simple matter, it just needs to be managed. This industry needs to be solution oriented, instead of problem oriented.

Referees are needed in these tournaments for more than one reason. Get 'R' done.

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Have neutral rackers and it will take care of all the pattern racking an manipulating the rack.
Thought it would post both comments.

Perfect solution if you ask me.


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03-03-2013, 01:26 AM

If a player is cheating then the opponent could let the TD know. The TD at this event would definitely put a stop to it.
Don't think that's what was happening. Why cheat when you don't need to?
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