League pool

Its a business, not a charity. The money goes into someone's pocket.

Different leagues have different payouts. You should just ask the league operator about the payout structure and then based on the number of people in the league just do the math. But as stated, this is a business. Depending on the league. If the room is running the league, they directly benefit from the business so they might offer a more liberal payout but when a 3rd party runs the league then their fee for running the league is usually higher, some leagues won't even pay any money back unless you make it to their national tournament.. Each league can be different but also offer different benefits.

I know the leagues pay for the table time. Some pay 5 per person/table, some pay 10 per person/table. The rest goes into administrative fees (aka feeding one's family), and prize funds at the end of seasons. Not all leagues and their operators are the same. Some make more off their respective league, some make less.

Colormegone2002 said:

I have a friend that plays league every week and I try to ask him a few questions about it

but he's new at it. Where does all the money go that is made from league play?

I know this has probably been discussed but I hate searching and if no one wants

to answer,that's fine. It just seems like a lot of money is being made but it damn sure

doesn't seem to be the players that are making it. Where does that money go?

I apologize if this hits people the wrong way, I'm just wondering is all. Seems like

cash leagues would be the way to go but, maybe not?

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Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

mikepage said:

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

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Or...they can laugh at all the suckers like me who simply do not give a sh*t where the money goes.

And why should I give a sh*t? For a $25-a-year membership dues and $8-a-match fee, how can I get a night out with friends for much cheaper?

Where I play, we can go in 2 hours before league starts, get a rack of balls and practice until league starts, and shoot some non-league pool after we're done. There's my $8-a-night back right there....and some.

Now, this might not work for some people who play in rooms where the tight-assed owner/operator doesn't give free table time to the league players....right Mike?

Suckers....my a$$.

Maniac

You go to a theater to watch a movie. Where does the money go?

You attend a sporting event. Where does the money go?

You play in a casino. Where does the money go?

It is all the price or cost of entertainment.

If you want something for free take a walk but even that has a cost hidden somewhere.

But if you dine in a restaurant or drink in a bar it is guaranteed that money eventually goes down the drain.

TheBook said:

You go to a theater to watch a movie. Where does the money go?

You attend a sporting event. Where does the money go?

You play in a casino. Where does the money go?

It is all the price or cost of entertainment.

If you want something for free take a walk but even that has a cost hidden somewhere.

But if you dine in a restaurant or drink in a bar it is guaranteed that money eventually goes down the drain.

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Word! :thumbup:

Since your friend doesn't know, have you tried reaching out to the specific league operator?

Each league is run differently, it would be ignorance to paint them all with the same broad brush. All leagues are a business. I Franchise leagues (such as APA) work in con-junction with a host location. In-house leagues primary purpose is to develop a steady following for a poolhall.

If your friend is in a nationally known franchise league, then we may have some people who will give your their opinion (APA). If its an in-house league, then you need to seek out the owner, league manager or rep.

If you're fine with hearsay, then ignore my post.

mikepage said:

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

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This really could be true... :grin:

Our leagues cost $7.00 per week per player. We must drop quarters to play. For a 20 week season that is $140.00 total payout per person. At the end of the year we get prize money, Last year we finished 4th and I got $120.00 or so, it may have included some $5 or $10 dollar performance bonuses, I dont remember for sure but I think other team members got right around $100.00 each. Thats where our league fees go.

mikepage said:

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

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When is the next meeting scheduled?
I'm thirsty.

randyg

All leagues run the payout structure differently. .... some pay more back to the players than others bur the players are never gonna "make money" in league play... even if you win more sessions than you lose..you still gonna be on the short end...

Ours, the money goes for a party at the end of the year, it pays for food, booze, and prizes, and trophies, you also get a money for each win during the season.

mikepage said:

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

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You wear monocles for that, right?

From what I've heard the guy that runs the local APA in NJ runs most of the state & they tell me he makes 7 figures a year doing it. That's ludicrous to me if true.

I play in the UPA, much smaller in stature in my are compared to APA & TAP, but I enjoy it & it's strictly cash payouts at the end of every 15 week session. No BS money spent on trophies or patches. We also have in house league which I like because traveling could be a pain sometimes especially since our county is huge.

I run several BCA leagues and the first week of each season, players not only get the league bylaws in their packets, but also a copy of the payout structure and budget for that session. They know EXACTLY how much money is taken in and how much is paid out, and how much they are playing for. League operators put a lot of time and effort into their leagues and players should not expect a league operator to work for free.
Bars and pool rooms have to buy and maintain their tables, and that has a cost, as well. Many league players that I know think that should all come free to them. But here's the thing. If you don't pay any greens fees or table time, don't complain about the equipment. I'd rather pay for the equipment and be able to say something to a room or bar owner when the tables need to be recovered.
I pay out an average of 70-75 percent to my league players through cash paybacks and entries to Nationals.
I believe if I treat my league like a business and I treat my players (aka customers) fairly and honestly, and provide them with an enjoyable experience, they will continue to play in my league. If I treat the bar and pool room owners with respect, am consistent with my product and PAY them for the use of their equipment, I boost their business and we complement each other. Everybody, including the players, win in this scenario.

table time and payouts

There are leagues that are actual franchised businesses where someone paid thousands of dollars to buy the business and incurs all business costs (such as APA). It's just like buying a Subway or McDonalds, it's a business franchise. They make money off the league because...well...that's their job and they invest money in it to get money our of it. Anyone who has a problem with that, super simple, just don't play in it.

There are in-house leagues and other types of leagues where it's NOT a for-profit business. Someone volunteers some time to help organize it, and money goes towards session-end parties and events, maybe table time, maybe some costs of running the league (website, score sheets, etc), and maybe some payback to the league players.

If you play in any pool league to make money, you're going to be very very disappointed. That's not why people play in leagues, even if they say that's why. You don't play 15 weeks or so to get 100 bucks for finishing first or getting league MVP and make yourself a whopping $1.60/hr.

We're so happy we can hardly count...

mikepage said:

Everybody who runs leagues is in a secret club. The members all meet quarterly at the island in the Caribbean they own jointly to drink and party and laugh at all the suckers who haven't caught on yet....

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If you are being sarcastic, that's pretty funny.

If you're not, how do I become a league operator?