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left or right pivot - 05-23-2012, 10:07 AM

Hi All,
Can someone explain the difference between using left or right pivot.
What I mean is would it make any difference to potting the ball if you use either.
As I understand it from what I've searched on the net is that you can either do a left or right pivot as the center to cue ball is the same, however the Pro one DVD states that if one pivot doesn't work the other will. Also when going for a shot how do you know if it's left or right.
I've been playing around with this for a couple of months now and I've found that when I pivot, I pivot at the pocket side of the ball.
This seems to be a bit of a gray area for me.
Thankyou in advance for your responses.
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05-23-2012, 01:44 PM

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Can someone explain the difference between using left or right pivot.
From a non-user:

I think you have to decide where the CB's pre-pivot center is ("acquire the visual") with the direction of your pivot in mind - i.e., you can't change the pivot direction after that without also changing where the CB's pre-pivot center is.

This is because the CB's pre-pivot center gives you the line which is parallel to your pre-pivot cue, so pivoting one way from there will change the aim in one direction while pivoting the other way will change the aim in the opposite direction.

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Reverse Engineering. - 05-23-2012, 02:02 PM

Put a ball where the GB needs to be and aim the center of the CB at the center of that (GB) ball. Pivot right or left to 1/2 tip to the side of the center of the CB and memorize the 2 visuals achieve when pivoting right and pivoting left for the cut angle.


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05-23-2012, 08:43 PM

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Put a ball where the GB needs to be and aim the center of the CB at the center of that (GB) ball. Pivot right or left to 1/2 tip to the side of the center of the CB and memorize the 2 visuals achieve when pivoting right and pivoting left for the cut angle.
Just to be clear... there is no mechanical pivot in Pro One.
  
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05-23-2012, 08:47 PM

Offset and Pivot Aiming Systems

Posted on January 27, 2012 by mohrt, 5,154 views


CTE, Pro1, 90/90, Shishkebob: each of which are close cousins of one and other and all share common elements. These techniques are all referred to as “offset and pivot” systems. Whether it be Hal Houle’s Center-to-Edge, Stan Shuffett’s Pro1 or Ron Vitello’s 90/90, offset and pivot systems afford players objective and repeatable methods of ball-pocketing (without the guesswork of ghost ball or other traditional methods.)


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CTE, Pro1, 90/90, Shishkebob: each of which are close cousins of one and other and all share common elements. These techniques are all referred to as “offset and pivot” systems. Whether it be Hal Houle’s Center-to-Edge, Stan Shuffett’s Pro1 or Ron Vitello’s 90/90, offset and pivot systems afford players objective and repeatable methods of ball-pocketing (without the guesswork of ghost ball or other traditional methods.)
Yes... that is correct. They share common elements. Pro One is body offset and CTE is mechanical pivot. In Pro One, you swing to center ball with no mechanical pivot. FYI... I had to learn CTE before I could grasp Pro One.

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05-23-2012, 09:34 PM

CTE Version 4 (as interpreted by dr_dave from the description and examples on Stan Shuffett's Pro One DVD) - 6 lines of aim:

While standing, sight through the center of the CB and the outside edge of the OB (i.e., sight along the CTE line). Then, based on the type of cut (see the table below), shift your sighting to visualize a line through the inside edge of the CB to a given alignment point on the OB (see the table and figure below), while also maintaining the CTE visual. Then drop and slide into your stance straight toward the CB, placing your bridge to align the cue 1/2 tip off the CB's center (per the table and figure below). Now pivot the cue to the center of the CB with a fixed-bridge pivot. Here is a summary of the OB alignment points and pre-pivot tip positions for each type of cut:....


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CTE Version 4 (as interpreted by dr_dave from the description and examples on Stan Shuffett's Pro One DVD) - 6 lines of aim:

While standing, sight through the center of the CB and the outside edge of the OB (i.e., sight along the CTE line). Then, based on the type of cut (see the table below), shift your sighting to visualize a line through the inside edge of the CB to a given alignment point on the OB (see the table and figure below), while also maintaining the CTE visual. Then drop and slide into your stance straight toward the CB, placing your bridge to align the cue 1/2 tip off the CB's center (per the table and figure below). Now pivot the cue to the center of the CB with a fixed-bridge pivot. Here is a summary of the OB alignment points and pre-pivot tip positions for each type of cut:....
That is correct for CTE/manual pivot. But Stan's DVD is divided into two sections... CTE with a manual pivot (first part) and Pro One without a manual pivot (second part). They are two different methods with common elements. Have you seen the DVD or are you going off of viewer descriptions?

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That is correct for CTE/manual pivot. But Stan's DVD is divided into two sections... CTE with a manual pivot (first part) and Pro One without a manual pivot (second part). They are two different methods with common elements. Have you seen the DVD or are you going off of viewer descriptions?
I have not bought or seen the DVD and with all of info given up by Stan an others, I won't because the visuals thing and how that correlates to the cut angles is to be memorized.

I can align with the CTE aim line, but when I move to the secondary aim line, my eyes are moved away from that CTE line, but it is said that you should be able to see both - I can't.

Some say that they just drop down on the shot with the secondary aim line so that the initial CTE aim line isn't necessary.

Not parsimonious for me.


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Not parsimonious for me.
If by parsimonious you mean "clear and complete instructions that leave nothing to personal interpretation", then it's clearly not parsimonious for you or anybody else.

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If by parsimonious you mean "clear and complete instructions that leave nothing to personal interpretation", then it's clearly not parsimonious for you or anybody else.

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Yeah...that too.

... the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness. It is a principle urging one to select among competing hypotheses that which makes the fewest assumptions and thereby offers the simplest explanation of the effect.

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I've only been using the Manual CTE for a couple of months and have now moved onto the Pro one.
All I can say is what a differance this has made. Pro one is smooth and fluid and has a natural movement about it. I thought it would have taken me months to go to Pro one however I find it much easier than the Manual CTE.
Give it a go, you won't be dissapointed.
  
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06-04-2012, 12:27 AM

Think is easy but doing is a hard part. I always imagine the line after the white ball touch the targeted ball. Just like doing a math and calculate what will happen after finish one turn. Just my opinion
  
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