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05-01-2020, 10:53 AM

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Maybe you guys can explain why you are not giving this honest answers?
Because, honestly, pool is not dying.

Using your observational logic (being in a poolhall with one or two people in the place around 5pm during a worldwide pandemic where most people are not going anywhere), we could also say the restaurant business is dying because no one is going into the local restaurants right now either.

As far as non-pandemic life, many poolhalls die and get reborn under new management. It's been like this for years. No different than a nightclub or bar that eventually goes out of business due to lack of customers, poor management, lousy atmosphere, etc... Then someone else reopens the place, cleans it up, changes the name, offers food and live music, and just like that the place is alive and thriving again.

Some areas are hotbeds for pool, where the poolhalls are ways packed because owners or management incorporate activities to keep people coming in, like in-house leagues or BCA or APA leagues, or food and beverages, etc... Mr. Cues in Atlanta GA is a good example, a place that's always been packed everytime went there. Poolhall owners know, just as any club owner knows, there are good days, great days, and dead days. If you have great business every day, then you are the exception that other places would like to emulate.
  
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05-01-2020, 11:24 AM

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It's an old man's game and I say that with respect. When you look at the audience, participants and who's playing....it's all the older guys.

You'll see hot shot younger players but they are so good they show up once a week where the older guys are there everyday practicing. So when the general public goes in all they see are the seniors playing.

Reminds me when I was a kid going into a bowling alley and seeing the senior league. I still think of bowling as an old person's game.

Yeah, it's a misconception based on locale. If you visit any bowling alley on seniors day, and you aren't an avid bowler, you'll associate bowling to older folks. But go on another night and you'll see younger people filling the lanes. Then on another night you'll see a handful of bowlers on 2 lanes and the lights out on all the others.
Poolhalls are no different.

If you visit a poolhall everyday you'll see this... Older players playing during the day, usually drinking coffee. The place might look empty, boring. But there's an energy there that the non-poolhall junkie doesn't see, doesn't feel. But it's there, and maybe 3 nights a week it is so alive, so strong and obvious that anybody who walks in can recognize that pool is not dead. But the true junkies recognize it every day. They see it in the two old guys hitting balls on the back table, in the new cloth their favorite table has on it now, in the look on a kid's face when his dad brings him in the place for the first time.

Any player that loves the game can walk into a nearly deserted poolhall, glance over at two elderly players playing a game of one pocket, and immediately be reminded of how alive pool is. In 40 years he'll be on that back table hitting balls, if not here then somewhere else, and a younger player will walk in and watch him a for minute, and neither will be thinking pool is dying. It's just not something that's ever going to die, because too many of us love the game.

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05-01-2020, 11:42 AM

Pool is not in growth mode, if it the Sports wants to grow they need to copy the business plan of other types of sucessful sports. Most of the other sports have one scantioning organization, not many.

Most of the business models are working because they have sponsors. NASCAR is a good example, their sponsor are everything from Big Pharmicitacal Companies, to Candy Companies. Their list of sponsor is too long to list.

NASCAR's plan worked for them. But Pool's biggest stumbling block is dismantling the APA, BCAPL, ACS, and other groups, and build a New Single Group over all Pool both amature & professional events.

Never ever heard of someone playing in a PGA Golf Event, and getting a rubber check. Just don't happen, because the PGA gets purse money guaranteed.

All of there other sports have advertising depts, public relation departments, and several like the NFL & MLB have started partner with youth sports leagues, to build future fan bases.

How could Pool accomplish this? Time and one group of people working into one direction, not against each other.

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05-01-2020, 12:10 PM

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Because, honestly, pool is not dying.

Using your observational logic (being in a poolhall with one or two people in the place around 5pm during a worldwide pandemic where most people are not going anywhere), we could also say the restaurant business is dying because no one is going into the local restaurants right now either.

As far as non-pandemic life, many poolhalls die and get reborn under new management. It's been like this for years. No different than a nightclub or bar that eventually goes out of business due to lack of customers, poor management, lousy atmosphere, etc... Then someone else reopens the place, cleans it up, changes the name, offers food and live music, and just like that the place is alive and thriving again.

Some areas are hotbeds for pool, where the poolhalls are ways packed because owners or management incorporate activities to keep people coming in, like in-house leagues or BCA or APA leagues, or food and beverages, etc... Mr. Cues in Atlanta GA is a good example, a place that's always been packed everytime went there. Poolhall owners know, just as any club owner knows, there are good days, great days, and dead days. If you have great business every day, then you are the exception that other places would like to emulate.
The why was I told by multiple people on this forum and in google searches and by people at a local pool hall that it is dying?
  
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05-01-2020, 12:53 PM

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The why was I told by multiple people on this forum and in google searches and by people at a local pool hall that it is dying?
Because it hasn't been a wildly popular sport for several decades now. Many people say it's because pool has a dark and dirty public image due to gambling. But that's bs. Every sport has gambling. As proof that gambling isn't an issue, that the unwholesome image of pool isn't an issue, just look back on the explosion of pool players and poolhalls that sprouted following the movie "The Hustler", and again with "The Color of Money'.

Pool just isn't growing much. But just because it's not growing doesn't mean it's dying. Sure, it may die in your town or somebody else's town for a while, but it'll be vibrant somewhere else. Then a few years later the pool scene there will fade in that place and your town might become a hotspot for pool again.

The thing is, it really doesn't matter what most people on a pool forum tell you. It's all opinion, and there are plenty of doomsdayers on every forum. It doesn't matter what the owner or worker in your local poolhall tells you. What matters is that there are millions of pool players in the US alone, so if a dozen people here tell you, "yes, I believe pool is dying", well that doesn't mean much compared to the millions of casual and serious players out there who love the game and will always be playing it somewhere.

Industry people have a good insight on how strong or weak the pool scene is. But like with most businesses, or industries, there are always ups and downs. For every poolhall owner that tells you, "a poolhall is a losing business, pool is dead", there is another poolroom owner out there who has figured out how to get people in and how to keep them coming back.
  
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Because it hasn't been a wildly popular sport for several decades now. Many people say it's because pool has a dark and dirty public image due to gambling. But that's bs. Every sport has gambling. As proof that gambling isn't an issue, that the unwholesome image of pool isn't an issue, just look back on the explosion of pool players and poolhalls that sprouted following the movie "The Hustler", and again with "The Color of Money'.

Pool just isn't growing much. But just because it's not growing doesn't mean it's dying. Sure, it may die in your town or somebody else's town for a while, but it'll be vibrant somewhere else. Then a few years later the pool scene there will fade in that place and your town might become a hotspot for pool again.

The thing is, it really doesn't matter what most people on a pool forum tell you. It's all opinion, and there are plenty of doomsdayers on every forum. It doesn't matter what the owner or worker in your local poolhall tells you. What matters is that there are millions of pool players in the US alone, so if a dozen people here tell you, "yes, I believe pool is dying", well that doesn't mean much compared to the millions of casual and serious players out there who love the game and will always be playing it somewhere.

Industry people have a good insight on how strong or weak the pool scene is. But like with most businesses, or industries, there are always ups and downs. For every poolhall owner that tells you, "a poolhall is a losing business, pool is dead", there is another poolroom owner out there who has figured out how to get people in and how to keep them coming back.
So to sum up pool is dying. But I am in denial so I dont think it is.
  
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05-01-2020, 01:19 PM

Pool is dead. Send me your Szamboti's, Balabushka's, and Peterson cues


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Pool is dead. Send me your Szamboti's, Balabushka's, and Peterson cues
If leagues fizzle out here. I would be more than willing to make you a deal on my orchid cue.
  
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05-01-2020, 01:30 PM

I live in an "active"retirement community
So yeah me and everyone around me are geezers. Within ten miles from me are three pool halls, they seem to be doing well. But I don't really know because within two blocks from my house are seven pool tables, that I know of. And I'm looking to
add a second to my basement. So from my point of view it's not dying, but it is aging successfully.
  
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I live in an "active"retirement community
So yeah me and everyone around me are geezers. Within ten miles from me are three pool halls, they seem to be doing well. But I don't really know because within two blocks from my house are seven pool tables, that I know of. And I'm looking to
add a second to my basement. So from my point of view it's not dying, but it is aging successfully.
Whacky. We are neighbors and I am ready to retire (only 30 more years to go).

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Many people say it's because pool has a dark and dirty public image due to gambling. But that's bs.
It is the common image though.

Whether that's true or correct doesn't really matter in an age where people scream out their thoughts as if the volume makes it more factual. If they hear something they don't like, they will find a random internet quote that backs up whatever inane things they come up with and then it becomes true for them. That or they come up with a quotable name for it like yelling out, "fake news", or, "libtard", even when it doesn't fit. There was a time not so long ago people made it to the moon with slide rulers. Today we have to remind people what turn signals are for.

Pool is losing ground, but only in North America. It's alive and well in most other places.



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So to sum up pool is dying. But I am in denial so I dont think it is.
Yeah, sure...if that's what you wanna believe. You're already convinced.
  
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It is the common image though.

Whether that's true or correct doesn't really matter in an age where people scream out their thoughts as if the volume makes it more factual. If they hear something they don't like, they will find a random internet quote that backs up whatever inane things they come up with and then it becomes true for them. That or they come up with a quotable name for it like yelling out, "fake news", or, "libtard", even when it doesn't fit. There was a time not so long ago people made it to the moon with slide rulers. Today we have to remind people what turn signals are for.

Pool is losing ground, but only in North America. It's alive and well in most other places.
Good points. And as far pool in America, it depends on where you go. I've been playing 37 years, all over the place, mostly eastern US. The pool scene dies in one place and blossoms in another. Then a few years later it dies there and sprouts up somewhere else. It's been like that as long as I can remember.
  
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So to sum up pool is dying. But I am in denial so I dont think it is.
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Most of the business models are working because they have sponsors. NASCAR is a good example, their sponsor are everything from Big Pharmicitacal Companies, to Candy Companies. Their list of sponsor is too long to list.
So I have a kind of chicken/egg question for you if you don't mind. I agree pool could use a lot more players and that sponsors are key if the sport is to blossom. I'm just wondering which comes first? Do you need sponsors to generate the interest, or do you need the interest first to attract sponsors? I don't follow most other sports closely enough to know how that works. Thanks.


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