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Kim Davenport's Stroke - 05-17-2015, 07:10 PM

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05-17-2015, 08:42 PM

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In this YouTube video Kim Davenport makes a great comeback against Johnny Archer. I remember him making a similar comeback once against JR Calvert on a tour stop in San Diego, CA around 1995. A good lesson for all........never give up!

In the filming of the match they had a cameraman with a shoulder mounted camera. He was able to get a couple good straight-on views of few shots by Kim. On these shots there's a noticeable slight crookedness to his stroke . On the chopped segments below are two examples of this:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978158

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978186

Kim was a great champion and his accomplishments in the game speak for themselves. But perhaps this is why he played just a hair under the very best at the time.........Earl, Sigel, Buddy, etc. A slight stroke flaw like this will undoubtedly cause a miss here and there, especially pressure shots with distance.
Kim's stroke may have had a flaw but this 8 part video
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...e+Bicycle+Club

Shows Kim Davenport beating CJ WIley at the Bicycle Club


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05-17-2015, 09:19 PM

Kimmer was once down like 9-2 or 10-2 to The Miz and came back to beat him 11-10.


  
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05-17-2015, 09:58 PM

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In this YouTube video Kim Davenport makes a great comeback against Johnny Archer. I remember him making a similar comeback once against JR Calvert on a tour stop in San Diego, CA around 1995. A good lesson for all........never give up!

In the filming of the match they had a cameraman with a shoulder mounted camera. He was able to get a couple good straight-on views of few shots by Kim. On these shots there's a noticeable slight crookedness to his stroke . On the chopped segments below are two examples of this:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978158

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978186

Kim was a great champion and his accomplishments in the game speak for themselves. But perhaps this is why he played just a hair under the very best at the time.........Earl, Sigel, Buddy, etc. A slight stroke flaw like this will undoubtedly cause a miss here and there, especially pressure shots with distance.
Wow, he does have a hitch in his gitti-up, great observation, thanks for posting this.

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05-17-2015, 10:02 PM

You may have found a flaw but in person it was a thing of beauty. The accident that affected his eye led to his being tremendously under appreciated. Had a ton of heart.
  
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05-18-2015, 05:57 AM

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perhaps this is why he played just a hair under the very best at the time..
Too bad you were not around to coach Kim in those days. Perhaps he could have been Player of the Year more than just once.
  
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05-18-2015, 07:28 AM

I warmed Kim up for about 45 min. before a 9 ball tournament in Tampa, FL around 1986. Kim always dressed well and is a hell of a nice guy. Seemed to have a nice smooth pure stroke to me. Johnnyt


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Too bad you were not around to coach Kim in those days. Perhaps he could have been Player of the Year more than just once.
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05-18-2015, 07:49 AM

Hey, looked a bit like Greenleaf who also waggled. Watch the forward stroke, it looks to be pretty str8. As long as his waggle stops in the same place and his forward stroke is str8, I think he can be pretty accurate. Any merit to my thought?

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05-18-2015, 08:19 AM

Maybe he was ahead of his time using CTE or 90/10 pivot or whatever those others are???? (Sorry, I couldn't resist, hope you are all laughing).

But to me, Kim had the most sound stance and stroke I ever saw in person. He was solid as a rock at the table but with no tension in his body what so ever, and his stroke was pure. Not many wanted to gamble with him. One night he was to play Rafael Martinez 10 ahead 9-ball for 10 dimes late at night. We all gathered ready for the long grueling action. It lasted 12 games (Rafael won 1). Kim was so solid in his game it held up when it counted the most.

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You're proof that one can be both sarcastic and right at the same time.
I will need to work on my writing style. I was going entirely for sarcasm.

Being named Player of the Year in an era that saw so many of the greatest players of all time speaks to his skills. Few players were as well-liked or highly respected as Kim Davenport in his prime.
  
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05-18-2015, 08:53 AM

Thanks for the video. Very inspirational. I'll have to add that to my "must watch" list every now and then. Watching matches like this is mentally better than actually practicing. That kind of confidence rubs off just from watching.

I read your comment after watching and funny thing and I noticed the same thing. His right hand during practice strokes was not in line with his shot.
  
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I disagree - 05-18-2015, 10:52 AM

I disagree with those who said Kim was a shade less than the top pros of his time; I believe he was right up there with them..........

It was tragic and a damn shame that golf range accident happened to him.
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In this YouTube video Kim Davenport makes a great comeback against Johnny Archer. I remember him making a similar comeback once against JR Calvert on a tour stop in San Diego, CA around 1995. A good lesson for all........never give up!

In the filming of the match they had a cameraman with a shoulder mounted camera. He was able to get a couple good straight-on views of few shots by Kim. On these shots there's a noticeable slight crookedness to his stroke . On the chopped segments below are two examples of this:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978158

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978186

Kim was a great champion and his accomplishments in the game speak for themselves. But perhaps this is why he played just a hair under the very best at the time.........Earl, Sigel, Buddy, etc. A slight stroke flaw like this will undoubtedly cause a miss here and there, especially pressure shots with distance.
I saw him play when he played on the road. I don't know what his real ambitions were in the game but he had it to be as good as anyone whoever played the game. Some players in all sports, just don't take their game as far as it could have been for what ever reasons. In pool for most, it is usually the game is just not worth the effort.


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In this YouTube video Kim Davenport makes a great comeback against Johnny Archer. I remember him making a similar comeback once against JR Calvert on a tour stop in San Diego, CA around 1995. A good lesson for all........never give up!

In the filming of the match they had a cameraman with a shoulder mounted camera. He was able to get a couple good straight-on views of few shots by Kim. On these shots there's a noticeable slight crookedness to his stroke . On the chopped segments below are two examples of this:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978158

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5978186

Kim was a great champion and his accomplishments in the game speak for themselves. But perhaps this is why he played just a hair under the very best at the time.........Earl, Sigel, Buddy, etc. A slight stroke flaw like this will undoubtedly cause a miss here and there, especially pressure shots with distance.
That's interesting - thanks for posting it.

His grip hand moves a little sideways: toward his body on the back stroke; away from his body on the shot stroke. I suspect this is due to his elbow being a little too close to his body (for his personal physiology), which angles his stroke that way.

The other reason might be that he's subconsciously avoiding brushing his hip with his hand - but this usually results in a curved stroke (swooping around the hip), and his stroke is pretty straight.

Elbow position is a neglected topic when talking about stance.

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