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Played pool at a bowling alley. Never again. Questions? - 05-03-2020, 05:21 PM

So I went over to a bowling alley and "killed two birds with one stone" I bowled then went and played pool. Hopefully I do not sound like a snob. These issues were not that big its just I was unprepared for them after only playing at a pool hall where everything is nice and neat.

They had 2 pool tables. Coin op bar box tables. There was no bridge that I could see. I might have had to ask for one. But I decided to not.

It was $1.50 a game. I did not know this so instead of playing 2 games I only played one. But when I went to put my dollar bill in the machine I could not get it to accept it. I had to go get quarters. Because the change machine was out of order.

The triangle was made of thin plastic with a lip. Does this kind of triangle still work well to rack balls? I have been told these can deform and such.

The balls were all scratched up. Does this effect play?

The table had white marks on it. Does this effect play?

The "biggest issue" I had was that the table was uneven. At least I believe it was. My balls majorly went to one side. But then again I am not that good. So it could have been me.

So since I possibly had an uneven table. Is this something that pool hustlers would do so that they would know how to shoot the balls and get an advantage verses the person who did not know about the table?
  
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05-03-2020, 05:25 PM

I think all your observations are likely accurate.

There is a wide disparity in the condition of tables. We all have to deal with it sooner or later.

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05-03-2020, 05:31 PM

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So I went over to a bowling alley and "killed two birds with one stone" I bowled then went and played pool. Hopefully I do not sound like a snob. These issues were not that big its just I was unprepared for them after only playing at a pool hall where everything is nice and neat.

They had 2 pool tables. Coin op bar box tables. There was no bridge that I could see. I might have had to ask for one. But I decided to not.

It was $1.50 a game. I did not know this so instead of playing 2 games I only played one. But when I went to put my dollar bill in the machine I could not get it to accept it. I had to go get quarters. Because the change machine was out of order.

The triangle was made of thin plastic with a lip. Does this kind of triangle still work well to rack balls? I have been told these can deform and such.

The balls were all scratched up. Does this effect play?

The table had white marks on it. Does this effect play?

The "biggest issue" I had was that the table was uneven. At least I believe it was. My balls majorly went to one side. But then again I am not that good. So it could have been me.

So since I possibly had an uneven table. Is this something that pool hustlers would do so that they would know how to shoot the balls and get an advantage verses the person who did not know about the table?
If you did not like the experence do not return to support the venus that was not to your likeing. Bowling Centers who have their acts together do everything right from food, drinks, pool, bowling, etc.

Remember long ago I use to play pool at a bowling alley within walking distance to home. The pool room was clean, tables were kept up, balls clean, the were 4.5 X 9.0', the cost was per hour of table time in 15 minute increments.

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05-03-2020, 05:52 PM

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05-03-2020, 06:06 PM

What you experienced is typical for most "bars" and "bar leagues". The main function of the place is to get drunk, and there is a table or two scattered about. The establishment doesn't know anything about pool, and doesn't care in the slightest about pool. The equipment will be horrible. Balls mismatched in size and weight, and scratched to hell. The cloth will be like carpet, and never level. There will usually be one cube of chalk left, if you are lucky. The cues will all have slip-on ferrule/tip combos because when the original tips fell off, the bar didn't know how to replace them.

This is the great divide between "pool players" and "bar bangers". Most pool players won't step foot in a place like that. They were all suckered into some traveling bar league once in their pool career, and swore never again.

If you want to be a pool player, you have to go to the real pool halls, where the focus is pool. If you want to get wasted, go to the bar and shoot a game of pool while drinking all night.

In-house leagues at a real pool hall are a big step up from traveling leagues that go play in places like you described. They are usually more of the serious players that happen to be regulars in the room, and of course the equipment is better because its in a real pool hall.

The balls are scratched because they are cheap plastic for the cheap equipment. The good balls at the pool hall are made of phenolic, which can go 30 years without looking like the bar room balls after only one year. Yes, the scratches affect play. The friction is different with all the scratches, which affects how long the spin stays on the ball, and how the balls interact with each other.

Another thing with "any" coin operated table (except Diamond), is the CB will never be matched with the OB's. It will either be larger, heavier, or have a piece of metal inside for a magnet to pull it when you scratch. All 3 of these scenarios make the reaction during impact of CB and OB different than if the balls were identical. Diamond coin-operated tables don't have this issue, because they use a laser beam to detect the white color of the CB, and separate it that way. That allows the CB to be identical in construction to the OB's.
  
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05-03-2020, 06:32 PM

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What you experienced is typical for most "bars" and "bar leagues". The main function of the place is to get drunk, and there is a table or two scattered about. The establishment doesn't know anything about pool, and doesn't care in the slightest about pool. The equipment will be horrible. Balls mismatched in size and weight, and scratched to hell. The cloth will be like carpet, and never level. There will usually be one cube of chalk left, if you are lucky. The cues will all have slip-on ferrule/tip combos because when the original tips fell off, the bar didn't know how to replace them.

This is the great divide between "pool players" and "bar bangers". Most pool players won't step foot in a place like that. They were all suckered into some traveling bar league once in their pool career, and swore never again.

If you want to be a pool player, you have to go to the real pool halls, where the focus is pool. If you want to get wasted, go to the bar and shoot a game of pool while drinking all night.

In-house leagues at a real pool hall are a big step up from traveling leagues that go play in places like you described. They are usually more of the serious players that happen to be regulars in the room, and of course the equipment is better because its in a real pool hall.

The balls are scratched because they are cheap plastic for the cheap equipment. The good balls at the pool hall are made of phenolic, which can go 30 years without looking like the bar room balls after only one year. Yes, the scratches affect play. The friction is different with all the scratches, which affects how long the spin stays on the ball, and how the balls interact with each other.

Another thing with "any" coin operated table (except Diamond), is the CB will never be matched with the OB's. It will either be larger, heavier, or have a piece of metal inside for a magnet to pull it when you scratch. All 3 of these scenarios make the reaction during impact of CB and OB different than if the balls were identical. Diamond coin-operated tables don't have this issue, because they use a laser beam to detect the white color of the CB, and separate it that way. That allows the CB to be identical in construction to the OB's.
Definitely will be asking about pool tables at the places the leagues play. Our one pool hall is to small for the leagues. They play at other places like american legion and bars etc.
  
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05-03-2020, 06:45 PM

In the old days, Brunswick Corp was huge on bowling and billiards. I used to go to the bowling alley to get in stroke, so I wouldn't walk into the pool hall cold. There were rows and rows of Gold Crowns, centennial balls and no players. There were two bowlng alleys I practiced at regularly, Granada Hills, CA and Van Nuys. Then when I wanted a game I would go to the pool hall. Those Brunswick Recreation Centers have all but disappeared but they actually had good equipment.


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05-03-2020, 06:49 PM

We have a summer place that we go to, and one of the bars in town that I frequent in the evenings, has a pool table that, well lets just say is horrible, has never been vacuumed, some times has two to three sticks, and sometimes have tips on them. The balls, well lets just say they are well used. Quite honestly though, I am so glad for that table being there. The table costs 25 cents to play, and because of that, I accept it for what it is, you just cant take your game serious on it, and it gives me something to do there at times, for cheap. I look at it like an old beater truck or car, that is paid for long ago.You just have fun with it, and I have had a lot of fun on that terrible table. If it were much more than a quarter though, I would probably have to look for another bar, with a better table, hopefully that doesn't happen anytime soon, as I like it there, dirty table and all.
  
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So I went over to a bowling alley and "killed two birds with one stone" I bowled then went and played pool. Hopefully I do not sound like a snob. These issues were not that big its just I was unprepared for them after only playing at a pool hall where everything is nice and neat.

They had 2 pool tables. Coin op bar box tables. There was no bridge that I could see. I might have had to ask for one. But I decided to not.

It was $1.50 a game. I did not know this so instead of playing 2 games I only played one. But when I went to put my dollar bill in the machine I could not get it to accept it. I had to go get quarters. Because the change machine was out of order.

The triangle was made of thin plastic with a lip. Does this kind of triangle still work well to rack balls? I have been told these can deform and such.

The balls were all scratched up. Does this effect play?

The table had white marks on it. Does this effect play?

The "biggest issue" I had was that the table was uneven. At least I believe it was. My balls majorly went to one side. But then again I am not that good. So it could have been me.

So since I possibly had an uneven table. Is this something that pool hustlers would do so that they would know how to shoot the balls and get an advantage verses the person who did not know about the table?
Instead of $1.50 per game, you can play a game of 9-ball and a game of 6-ball for the same $1.50.
  
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05-03-2020, 08:36 PM

Don't like playing in bowling alleys, but there were not a whole lot of choices growing up. They do hold a soft spot for me cause when I was 8 or 9 years old in the 60's, my father, who I hear was once a big money player, but found religion would take me to play on Sunday afternoons, eight Gold Crowns. As the years rolled by the bowling alley closed and a new pool hall opened, yep the gold crowns from the bowling alley were there. Those gold crowns are still around today at another pool hall, looking good and covered in blue cloth. Weird that I can play on the same tables after all these years!


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So I went over to a bowling alley and "killed two birds with one stone" I bowled then went and played pool. Hopefully I do not sound like a snob. These issues were not that big its just I was unprepared for them after only playing at a pool hall where everything is nice and neat.

They had 2 pool tables. Coin op bar box tables. There was no bridge that I could see. I might have had to ask for one. But I decided to not.

It was $1.50 a game. I did not know this so instead of playing 2 games I only played one. But when I went to put my dollar bill in the machine I could not get it to accept it. I had to go get quarters. Because the change machine was out of order.

The triangle was made of thin plastic with a lip. Does this kind of triangle still work well to rack balls? I have been told these can deform and such.

The balls were all scratched up. Does this effect play?

The table had white marks on it. Does this effect play?

The "biggest issue" I had was that the table was uneven. At least I believe it was. My balls majorly went to one side. But then again I am not that good. So it could have been me.

So since I possibly had an uneven table. Is this something that pool hustlers would do so that they would know how to shoot the balls and get an advantage verses the person who did not know about the table?
You seem to be asking a lot...patronize a dive with two coin ops and expect a bridge...
...no bridge has gotta be the norm for bar boxes,

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The Tropicana in Inglewood CA had great playing conditions.

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...20 some Gold Crowns.

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05-03-2020, 09:14 PM

Chris...I'm sure you know this, but the proliferation of bowling centers with pool rooms was due to Brunswick financing the whole shebang, with very attractive terms! Sadly these days Brunswick doesn't have a quarter to spend on bowling or billiards. Billiards built the company, and they don't give a hoot about pool!

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