Russian Ken
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so is somebody going to beat the **** out of this loser at derby?
takeitdown
Banned
Its not gambling
Its not gambling when one party, Kenny, is willing to resort to physically threatening a child in order to get out of a bet. Thats what happened here.
This is criminal activity at a pretty high level. Certainly endangering the welfare of a minor. This POS thinks its all cool. Well I am not afraid to say it is not acceptable. To pull these moves on anybody , particularly a minor is as low as you can go.
Its not gambling when one party, Kenny, is willing to resort to physically threatening a child in order to get out of a bet. Thats what happened here.
This is criminal activity at a pretty high level. Certainly endangering the welfare of a minor. This POS thinks its all cool. Well I am not afraid to say it is not acceptable. To pull these moves on anybody , particularly a minor is as low as you can go.
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While I see where you are coming from in your post I disagree about Zack. Zack and I run around all over and gamble everywhere we go and have been since I was bout 17. Im now 19 and just because we gambled doesn't mean that's all we do.
I work 6 days a week now and there is no doubt in my mind that when Zack graduates from highschool he will either attend college or go right in the working world. We have talked plenty of times on the ride to and from these tournaments that we travel from on just that. Theres not a doubt in my mind that Zack will do whats best for him in the long run.
So I guess to summarize my post: Yes while the teenage years are crucial if you travel down a road that has good and bad signs (Which just about every teen travels down) its all in your decision upon who is with you. If you keep good people around you and keep the bad ones away you will stay on the right path
I'll bet he won't rob me unless he has a gun and then he had better be ready to use it.
I see a lot of crap about a teenager gambling. I grew up with a pool table in my den and a brother 6 years older than me. When I was 10-11, and my brothers friends were coming around the house to play pool, I was already taking their money before I had hair on my balls. I started going to a local game room that had 16 bar boxes in it when I was 13 or 14. By the time I got my license at 15, I was already 6'1" and looked a bit older than I actually was, so I started going to the pool hall (In my case it was High Tide Bar and Billiards in Houma, LA). I didn't drink and stayed away from the bar, so the owner really didn't mind me going in. Plus, you could get away with stuff like that in south Louisiana 20+ years ago.
My point is, kids gamble. At the Derby, I was staking a 13 year old kid in some $100 sets. It was the first time he had ever been in action. The kid's dad and older brother are both accomplished pool players, so it was just a matter of time before he actually played a game for money.
I don't think that a 16 year old kid getting into some action warrants this much drama about it. If the kid got stiffed, then that sucks, but he also learned a lesson. I'd like to know how many times my brother's friends tried to stiff me (he never allowed it), or how many times the guys at High Tide stiffed me because I was just some 15-16 year old kid. I've never been stiffed since, I can tell you that much.
My point is, kids gamble. At the Derby, I was staking a 13 year old kid in some $100 sets. It was the first time he had ever been in action. The kid's dad and older brother are both accomplished pool players, so it was just a matter of time before he actually played a game for money.
I don't think that a 16 year old kid getting into some action warrants this much drama about it. If the kid got stiffed, then that sucks, but he also learned a lesson. I'd like to know how many times my brother's friends tried to stiff me (he never allowed it), or how many times the guys at High Tide stiffed me because I was just some 15-16 year old kid. I've never been stiffed since, I can tell you that much.
takeitdown
Banned
You are missing the point
So if an adult dropped by your house to play you for cash when you are a kid, maybe thats cool, maybe. To me only if the parents condone it.
Then when your adult opponent realizes he cant win he just changes the length of the set and uses his physicality to intimidate you. When all that fails he just plain air barrels?
Would you be cool with an adult doing this to your son? I would dare say you wouldnt. If I cant convince you, there is nothing more I have to say. If this boy was my blood, this would be far from over.
So if an adult dropped by your house to play you for cash when you are a kid, maybe thats cool, maybe. To me only if the parents condone it.
Then when your adult opponent realizes he cant win he just changes the length of the set and uses his physicality to intimidate you. When all that fails he just plain air barrels?
Would you be cool with an adult doing this to your son? I would dare say you wouldnt. If I cant convince you, there is nothing more I have to say. If this boy was my blood, this would be far from over.
If this were my son, he wouldn't be in action betting large in the first place.
I was playing poker for nickels, dimes and quarters at 13. Pitching coins against the wall for dollars at 14 and putting for ten and twenty dollars a hole at 16. So I hit the ground running when I started playing pool at 18.
Yes I got stiffed and I got threatened. But I learned and I grew up. The best education I ever got (and I have three years of college) was in the pool room. I can't tell you how many times someone has tried to run a con on me in the "straight" world, usually promising an unGodly return on my investment. Thanks to my pool room education I can always spot a con and smell a rat long before they finish talking. I just tell them thanks, I'll think about it.
One guy did get me for 4K on a stock deal. The stock ended up being worthless. I went to his home in Las Vegas and got my money back, after a small confrontation. He had promised to make me whole and I held him to it.
Another time I made 15K on a real estate investment (a limited partnership). The agent who put the deal together wanted everyone to leave their money in, so he could reinvest it in a new project. I wanted out but he kept putting off sending me the money. I camped out in his office one day and finally busted into his office. He was surprised and feigned anger, but eventually promised to cut me a check the next day. I wouldn't leave until I had the check in my hand. It took some doing, but I got my money!
Yes I got stiffed and I got threatened. But I learned and I grew up. The best education I ever got (and I have three years of college) was in the pool room. I can't tell you how many times someone has tried to run a con on me in the "straight" world, usually promising an unGodly return on my investment. Thanks to my pool room education I can always spot a con and smell a rat long before they finish talking. I just tell them thanks, I'll think about it.
One guy did get me for 4K on a stock deal. The stock ended up being worthless. I went to his home in Las Vegas and got my money back, after a small confrontation. He had promised to make me whole and I held him to it.
Another time I made 15K on a real estate investment (a limited partnership). The agent who put the deal together wanted everyone to leave their money in, so he could reinvest it in a new project. I wanted out but he kept putting off sending me the money. I camped out in his office one day and finally busted into his office. He was surprised and feigned anger, but eventually promised to cut me a check the next day. I wouldn't leave until I had the check in my hand. It took some doing, but I got my money!
I agree. My son plays at a low B level at 14, he's around players in Snooker in RI that gamble all the time, there is no way I'm going to let him setup matches for money till he's old enough to vote, or at least old enough that he's driving himself around and I can't watch him.
No offense to the gamblers on here, but I don't want him turning into a low life mooch which seems to be the ending path of way too many gamblers.
He likes playing the game for the game, to get better at it. Even if he wants a career in pool (whatever that may be), I'm going to try to steer him towards at least honest matches in tournaments and TAR like events. Not having some dope fiend bother him to play against some clueless guy with money to rob him.
Don't forget the part a out how it is far better to have a job where you make 40k/ yr that it is to have no job and go through 40k/yr.
Banks
Banned
I was doing things at 16 that I wouldn't even consider today. Yep.. lots of things.
As long as he's got his head on straight, has a truly supportive group around him(family/friends) and understands what the future looks like if he doesn't handle it properly, then all is well. If he's getting a grand here and there, he should look at long-term investing or saving up for a house, etc.
As long as he's got his head on straight, has a truly supportive group around him(family/friends) and understands what the future looks like if he doesn't handle it properly, then all is well. If he's getting a grand here and there, he should look at long-term investing or saving up for a house, etc.
You sound older than 19, sounds like you got your priorities straight too,
doubt either one of you will turn out like this dumbass Kenny.
Good luck to both of you.
So ....is anoyone going to do anything about this gy??everyone seems to know him and where he is, why has nobody beat the shit out of him made it perfectly clear that this will no longer be tolerated?
No one is going to do a thing... Because this IS tolerated every day. Every pool room in the country has one or more Kenny's. When was the last time you saw someone get beat up over not paying? This isn't the 1930's mobster era we live in today.