Rare One of a Kind 8 Point Meucci Cue 1989
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The cue is really nice. Anytime you see a groove cut in the sleeve of a Meucci cue that means it was a factory second. It could be that an inlay was off or had a slight warp or any number of issues. But one thing for certain is it was a factory second. Bob had this done to cues he felt would still play great, but did not want people reselling them as first quality cues. So they cut the groove to eliminate that from happening.
Exactly. Pretty though!
Eight point cues were certainly mass produced well before this.
I do not mean to diminish the cue, old stories about old cues have a way of changing over time. I don't think it really matters much.
It's likely what you see in that point veneer is the reason it was a second.
They may well have decided not to produce it because it was too much time, work, or materials for the price point they were after. But certainly they could have. Adam was doing it for a long time before this.
It's a great cue, and a great story. Enjoy it, I am sure it plays great! :thumbup:
Thanks for showing off! :thumbup:
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I do not mean to diminish the cue, old stories about old cues have a way of changing over time. I don't think it really matters much.
It's likely what you see in that point veneer is the reason it was a second.
They may well have decided not to produce it because it was too much time, work, or materials for the price point they were after. But certainly they could have. Adam was doing it for a long time before this.
It's a great cue, and a great story. Enjoy it, I am sure it plays great! :thumbup:
Thanks for showing off! :thumbup:
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My Dad just gave me this amazing hitting cue. He bought it from a cue shop in Springfield, Missouri in 1989 around September. He was told it was a pattern cue aka a handmade prototype that would never go to production due to the eight even stained oak points being too hard to replicate on a mass scale. There was supposedly just two of them made and both went to this shop owner who is long since dead as far as I know. Stained maple forearm eight even stained oak points with a single black
veneer, coated grey black white Irish linen,
black butt sleeve with six stained maple
windows. Really strange tiny groove cut below windows wrapped with very thin ring of solid black linen that isn't coated over and is exposed (never seen this on a cue before or since I personally love this and it is unique use of linen). Butt cap and joint were once bone white but now yellowed with age real nice patina to them. Cue plays fantastic. Ferrule cracked many years ago so i took it for my Dad to Dennis Searings shop and he removed the original pvc material ferrule. He threaded the ferrule dowel and fabricated a new threaded ferrule on there making it superior in my opinion and put a perfect triangle tip on. Sat in the case for next 8 years as a closet queen (I had got Dad a ebony handled JT-1 for his birthday, which is still his player). He gifted this to me at Christmas and finally mailed it this week. I took it for a spin and boy is it a smooth playing perfectly balanced cue. Eight even veneered point to wow.
I dug through the Meucci archives and have never seen another cue remotely like it. The guy that got the other one was supposedly a ball banger so it's probably been lost forever imho. Meucci wanted me to mail them the cue to look at but that not going to happen haha. I know my pictures suck but I just thought I would share for all the vintage Meucci lovers. This is now my playing cue and honestly I've owned SouthWests , Herceks, Searings, Black Boar, James Whites, etc etc and this holds its own.
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Meucci has made other 8 even point cues.. had a bunch of inlays in it. You can see an example of one on proficient billiards website
8 even?
8 point cues were made by Adam, McDermott and others, and I believe even Meucci as has been pointed out. 4 high and 4 low. Perfectly even? Sure.
I don't recall any with 8 even, but that does not mean they were not made. But I am confident that there was no manufacturing limitation that would prevent it. Certainly more points uses more materials and more steps to produce but would have been perfectly within manufacturing abilities at the time.
I have an Asian production cue made in 1990, 8 points, 4 high, 4 low, perfectly even. I do not have one with 8 the same length.
I am not interested in arguing about it nor do I wish to spend time looking for examples, but I do believe such cues were produced. I see no reason why they couldn't have been. That a maker would decide not to build any cue would be a decision based on many criteria. Too much work? Too much cost? Many reasons.
Level of difficulty? Sure. I don't deny that could be a factor in deciding not to go forward with production. But very complex builds, including 8 points, were accomplished by manufacturers well before this cue. That's all I am saying. I mentioned Adam because they were in many ways a pioneer in producing such complex designs in a production setting.
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Boom...............
What's interesting as well is that it is a full splice. Certainly the Meucci is not. The Meucci is an example of a cue where the butt sleeve does not match the points. Some don't like that but it can work for me. It's a cool cue and very special to the owner.
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I was wondering how many would people pick up on the carom cue I posted as being a full splice 8 point. Helmstetter certainly had some interesting designs.
I can't think of any other cue maker that has done an 8 point full splice outside of an early 1900's French Brunswick I saw.
Lol....the difficulty in production is not made harder by adding a veneer to the points and the cost is completely negligible ...infact the ones without veneers we showed you from Adams are full splice. Much harder & expensive to make then your short splice Meucci with "A" veneer.
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Not ragging on your cue. Just trying to let you know it's not all it may have been cracked up to be by the story you were told.
I think that people have offered information and discussion.
The groove was explained. Further discussion regarding the story behind the cue is of interest. It does not detract from the cue.
It seems that several of us were aware of cues with even more elaborate 8 point construction that were mass produced when the story implied otherwise. It's merely discussion of the matter.
It seems that you may be sensitive about it because the cue has personal significance.
I personally have posted Taiwan made cues in the gallery. I have fun with it. Do people criticize it? Sure. Many people here are engaged in pissing matches over pool cues. Some find it almost offensive to post a "cheap" cue. I don't care. I just have fun with it. Honestly, most people don't really know what I have. I think if one posts truly valuable cues publicly then one better have a really good security system where they are kept. Just like posting guns on the internet. I don't do that. So I post cue pics for fun. Generally I would suspect that people posting cues worth tens of thousands of dollars have security systems and probably vaults. So, post away if you are OK with it. I wouldn't. I do love seeing them though and I do appreciate people showing off. And I say so. I say "Thanks for showing off!" and I mean it.
The Meucci is a cool cue with some back story. People are going to discuss it. I wouldn't let it bother me.
So...Thanks for showing off! :thumbup:
And I mean that sincerely.
EDIT: I just went back and checked my original post. As is my habit I see I did post "Thanks for showing off!" as I said I usually do. That is quite sincere, I promise. I am very glad you chose to post the cue.
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The groove was explained. Further discussion regarding the story behind the cue is of interest. It does not detract from the cue.
It seems that several of us were aware of cues with even more elaborate 8 point construction that were mass produced when the story implied otherwise. It's merely discussion of the matter.
It seems that you may be sensitive about it because the cue has personal significance.
I personally have posted Taiwan made cues in the gallery. I have fun with it. Do people criticize it? Sure. Many people here are engaged in pissing matches over pool cues. Some find it almost offensive to post a "cheap" cue. I don't care. I just have fun with it. Honestly, most people don't really know what I have. I think if one posts truly valuable cues publicly then one better have a really good security system where they are kept. Just like posting guns on the internet. I don't do that. So I post cue pics for fun. Generally I would suspect that people posting cues worth tens of thousands of dollars have security systems and probably vaults. So, post away if you are OK with it. I wouldn't. I do love seeing them though and I do appreciate people showing off. And I say so. I say "Thanks for showing off!" and I mean it.
The Meucci is a cool cue with some back story. People are going to discuss it. I wouldn't let it bother me.
So...Thanks for showing off! :thumbup:
And I mean that sincerely.
EDIT: I just went back and checked my original post. As is my habit I see I did post "Thanks for showing off!" as I said I usually do. That is quite sincere, I promise. I am very glad you chose to post the cue.
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Meucci ferrules from that era were reknown for cracking. If you had Searing do up the ferrule, it should hold for a long time. Sweet cue, I love seeing things that are a bit different here on the cue gallery. I think the groove is cool too. That makes it more unique.