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06-01-2019, 11:13 PM

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I see John has made a post regarding this subject on Facebook.

Something to the affect that he thinks other pros could beat his record but it's better for pool if nobody does it soon.

And he's asking them not to try for at least a year.
Until he's produced his video and sold it.
  
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06-01-2019, 11:20 PM

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I said it before, it will take a 100k reward for a pro that is not in love with straight pool to try a concerted effort. Otherwise, they will stay in bed 10k or 20k won't cut it.

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How much would it take to entice Ronnie O ? His break building skill in snooker relates.
  
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06-01-2019, 11:26 PM

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How much would it take to entice Ronnie O ? His break building skill in snooker relates.
I was going to post almost the same thing earlier today.
  
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06-01-2019, 11:44 PM

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Until he's produced his video and sold it.
I thought that an odd request, makes sense.



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06-02-2019, 12:17 AM

i disagree with john regarding the media aspect. this was just a novelty piece for them, it's highly unlikely that it's gonna result in a renewed media interest in pool. a record race chasing the 1000 mark might garner some attention though.
  
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Another World Record - 06-02-2019, 12:19 AM

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That would be something, imagine the record being broken twice in the same month, lol

A man I knew broke a much more hotly contested world record, tie down calf roping. Quite an accomplishment! Well, for about two minutes until the very next cowboy broke his new world record. What are the odds of two people back to back in the same location breaking the record? Magic in the air that night!

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06-02-2019, 12:23 AM

My opinion; from the sidelines......

Break 400 at least once, and THEN go after 626.

I believe there are multiple pros who could do it; but WILL they chase it hard enough to do so?

You may not think think that Mr. 626 is the best pool player on earth, but; where was everyone else, all these years?


Give him his props. He did it, and he beat it by 100. Whether you like him or not, he did it. Why didn't someone else chase the record? Evidently, it meant more to him.

He's the man; until someone else beats 626 on video, or in front of 30+ witnesses.

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06-02-2019, 04:23 AM

Iím interested in the discussion regarding knowledge of straight pool being a serious factor in breaking the record. I think the concept of 14.1 is elegant and enticing in itís simplicity; however, as far as I can tell, and my knowledge of straight is not extensive, the main priority in each rack is identifying the key ball and the break ball. There seem to be some subtleties in manipulating the break ball if one is not already in a favorable position, but beyond that, I donít see any other obvious knowledge being a requirement in making high runs. Iíve watched Johnís 300 run, and he discusses the break shot numerous times during the run. He seems to either go into the pack hard, or at a medium pace. The pack is identical every time, so I donít see much analysis being needed in that regard. I suspect the biggest obstacle to a skilled player is having the fortune to avoid the numerous unfavorable outcomes as listed by a previous poster.

In no way am I attempting to minimize John Schmidtís accomplishment. His focus, determination, and skill are absolutely admirable. Iím simply curious to hear some examples of straight pool knowledge that come only from years of playing straight pool. And that would prohibit a player like Dennis from accomplishing a similar feat if he were to apply himself.
  
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06-02-2019, 04:28 AM

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i disagree with john regarding the media aspect. this was just a novelty piece for them, it's highly unlikely that it's gonna result in a renewed media interest in pool. a record race chasing the 1000 mark might garner some attention though.
I agree. Great feat to us that follow the game but in the "big picture" world of sports?? Popcorn fart in a snowstorm. Sad but true. Cornhole gets more press.
  
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06-02-2019, 05:20 AM

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Iím interested in the discussion regarding knowledge of straight pool being a serious factor in breaking the record. I think the concept of 14.1 is elegant and enticing in itís simplicity; however, as far as I can tell, and my knowledge of straight is not extensive, the main priority in each rack is identifying the key ball and the break ball. There seem to be some subtleties in manipulating the break ball if one is not already in a favorable position, but beyond that, I donít see any other obvious knowledge being a requirement in making high runs. Iíve watched Johnís 300 run, and he discusses the break shot numerous times during the run. He seems to either go into the pack hard, or at a medium pace. The pack is identical every time, so I donít see much analysis being needed in that regard. I suspect the biggest obstacle to a skilled player is having the fortune to avoid the numerous unfavorable outcomes as listed by a previous poster.

In no way am I attempting to minimize John Schmidtís accomplishment. His focus, determination, and skill are absolutely admirable. Iím simply curious to hear some examples of straight pool knowledge that come only from years of playing straight pool. And that would prohibit a player like Dennis from accomplishing a similar feat if he were to apply himself.

My thoughts as well.
All pool games are simply round objects on a flat surface, and how well you can manipulate them.
People like Dennis are on another level in this aspect.
If the man can put up a 260 on a tight table, in just a few tries, he is more than capable of beating this record.
  
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06-02-2019, 06:22 AM

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06-02-2019, 06:45 AM

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Iím simply curious to hear some examples of straight pool knowledge that come only from years of playing straight pool. And that would prohibit a player like Dennis from accomplishing a similar feat if he were to apply himself.
If you are specifically referring to world class pros who do not play straight pool vs world class pros who play a lot of straight pool you are talking about players who have mastered many aspects of pool in general. I don't think I could tell you for sure what a guy like Dennis might be lacking, but then it might be only one small thing that makes the difference between 300 and a miss vs continuing the run.

A couple of possible differences come to mind for me:

1. Short distance speed control. There are situations where you need to put the cue ball on a dime at short distance. If you've been playing only 9 ball this might be a problem. By problem I mean you miss this kind of position only 1 or 2 out of 10 times, but that's enough to end a run.

2. Playing position while breaking up a cluster. Knowing how balls pop out of a cluster and at what speed, where the cue ball will end up, etc. isn't easy to do if you haven't worked on that skill.

3. Getting the cue ball in optimal position for the break shot. You need to be able to get that cue ball right where it needs to be from anywhere on the table. Great straight pool players have that zone where the cue ball needs to go burned into their muscle memory.

I'm sure I could come up with many more. I note that you say that every rack is the same and all Schmidt had to worry about was the break ball. That's the mark of a great run... it looked easy to you.


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06-02-2019, 06:58 AM

I'm with John on this. I want the record to last for a while.

I don't agree with John that many others are capable of such a run, maybe just the few, but the commitment it would require is not something I can imagine of any of them. Even if a few others like Darren, Thorsten, Dennis, Niels, Filler, Melling, even SVB are, perhaps, technically capable of such a run, so what? John's level of commitment has been almost superhuman in his pursuit of this record, and that's the ingredient that got him to the finish line in his ambitious endeavor of topping Mosconi. I really don't think he has much to worry about as far as the record falling anytime soon.

I'm impressed, but not surprised, that John understands that his magnificent, history-making run, doesn't make him more than one of the best few of this era of straight pool. He is, indeed, one of the best of this era and his special accomplishment will be remembered for a long time.

Will this run provide any momentum for pool? It's possible, but by no means certain. When Roger Bannister broke the four minute mile (same year as Willie's 526), it was front page news in England. He became a legend known to all and even went on to be knighted. Similarly, when Bradley Wiggins became the first Englishman to win the Tour De France in 2012, he got the same fanfare as Bannister, with headlines galore and TV appearances and he, too, was knighted. Remarkably, it was Queen Elizabeth II that presided over the knighting of both Bannister and Wiggins, each of whom brought great attention to their not-so-mainstream sports.

Will John's run put pool in the spotlight? An article or two in major national papers won't add up to much, but the opportunity remains to properly publicize what has happened here if John and those around him are able to execute a publicity plan skillfully. Perhaps John can find a way to give a show at the White House, appear on the Tonight Show or one of the National Morning Shows like the Today Show. That's the kind of thing that would bring positive attention to the sport. John is charismatic and would make such opportunities count. Lest we forget, Jean Balukas was on national TV a couple of times.

I know finance, not marketing, but hopefully someone who knows marketing can bring the proper level of publicity to this wonderful and historic achievement.

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06-02-2019, 07:02 AM

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I thought that an odd request, makes sense.


Its a really odd statement in a way...on the one had he says please don't break my record...on the other he says, people don't realise how tough it was.

Personally I doubt anyone will post a higher run in a hurry, but if I were a pro I would never ask my fellow pro's not to try, it just downplays the achievement and makes it sound like plenty of people could and would do it if they could be bothered!
  
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How much would it take to entice Ronnie O ? His break building skill in snooker relates.
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