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03-26-2020, 02:00 PM

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its the slumlords type property owners who wont give them a chance during this time, they have no interst in covid19 or what it does to business and money, and they rather have it closed than let someone not pay even when closed by government rules. I knew this woman in manhattan, she kept an apartment closed in the upper east side for 3 years than give it less than 15K a month in rent. so she forwent couple hundred K in rent money income. who knows how they think. lets hope its not terrible
I will never understand these owners way of thinking. They would rather have the place sit empty then to make the rent affordable for a small business. My home pool hall sat empty for years after it closed down back in around the year 2000, because the landlord kept increasing the rent every year, until the pool hall eventually ran out of business.

In the end, he could not afford the $2,000 per month rent, for the pool hall.
  
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03-26-2020, 02:24 PM

The long term concern I have is this question:

Will we ever be the same again?

Will we shake hands, stand close when we talk, touch things without washing our hands? Hug? Kiss? Play pool? Touch screens?

Unfortunately, pool falls into the category of germy activities. We touch the cloth that hundreds of others have touched, the racks, and balls. We talk with friends in bars.

There will be those of us who will be more cautious than ever. Who wants even a simple, annoying common cold? Strep or the flu? Pink eye? Or the occasional Covid 19 that will still pop up long into the future.

Now that we are aware, what will we be?


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03-26-2020, 02:46 PM

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Now that we are aware, what will we be?
At the current trend......idiots.

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03-26-2020, 02:50 PM

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The long term concern I have is this question:

Will we ever be the same again?
My parents never forgot the conditions they lived through in the Great depression.

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Will we shake hands, stand close when we talk, touch things without washing our hands? Hug? Kiss? Play pool? Touch screens?
Slowly over a decade, this stuff will return to (ahem) normal.

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Unfortunately, pool falls into the category of germy activities. We touch the cloth that hundreds of others have touched, the racks, and balls. We talk with friends in bars.
Would you rather talk to enemies at the bar !!!

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Now that we are aware, what will we be?
Nobody ever wanted to be sick--E V E R.

However, almost everybody wants to have what used to be normal human relations with way more than just family. The outgoing seem to need 20-200 rather close friends, the introverted may only need 5-20. But we all need more than what we find in our family at home.
  
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03-26-2020, 02:52 PM

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The long term concern I have is this question:

Will we ever be the same again?

Will we shake hands, stand close when we talk, touch things without washing our hands? Hug? Kiss? Play pool? Touch screens?

Unfortunately, pool falls into the category of germy activities. We touch the cloth that hundreds of others have touched, the racks, and balls. We talk with friends in bars.

There will be those of us who will be more cautious than ever. Who wants even a simple, annoying common cold? Strep or the flu? Pink eye? Or the occasional Covid 19 that will still pop up long into the future.

Now that we are aware, what will we be?
I believe the answer is "Yes" because the human race will adapt to the need for greater precaution and greater intervention in the area of vast biological threats.

If you go back to the fourteenth century, some were concerned, during and in the aftermath of the Black Plague, that the contaminated bodies of those that had died from plague posed an enormous threat to those that survived them, and they were right … but necessity is the mother of invention and in the wake of the black plague came the idea that even common people should be buried in boxes, now typically know as coffins, but even this came with a few problems. It was eventually determined that these boxes needed to be a few feet under ground so that animals could not dig them up. Man adapted, and found many more sanitary ways, and society survived, as did the people's way of life.

The aftermath of Corona is likely to have some kind of modern equivalent of this pattern, in which people better learn to eliminate or control the conventional, biological and chemical threats posed by the environment and surroundings without compromising their way of living.

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03-26-2020, 02:58 PM

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Those with a shaky busi ess model trying to run it like its 1968 will likely die but if they were a solid business with food, bar and marketing they should come back just like any other sound entertainment venue.

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03-26-2020, 04:56 PM

Most of the pool rooms will killed off with the no smoking laws and the recessions of 2000, 2001, and 2008. This one will not help, and yes, will kill off some more.
  
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03-26-2020, 05:01 PM

My home room is using the down time to remodel its bar.

Regrettably, many pool rooms exist on the financial edge and will undoubtably go under without the beneficence of the bank/landlord.

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03-26-2020, 06:02 PM

I'm gonna open one after the corona clears. Gonna name it "Bailout Billiards".
  
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03-26-2020, 07:16 PM

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I will never understand these owners way of thinking. They would rather have the place sit empty then to make the rent affordable for a small business. My home pool hall sat empty for years after it closed down back in around the year 2000, because the landlord kept increasing the rent every year, until the pool hall eventually ran out of business.

In the end, he could not afford the $2,000 per month rent, for the pool hall.
Question is valid but if the owner has a large portfolio of properties, it could not be a big deal to let one building sit empty, as a tax write off.

We have this NE cornor in Peoria everything that goes into this strip mall dies, of the 13 - 15 rental spaces 3 or 4 of the businesses are there over two years. I call it come & go mall.

Owner of property let's it go to CRAP, does not keep clean, pave asphalt, or seem to care. Apprently owner own like 100 of these properties around USA. This one apprently don't matter.

The other three corner strip mall property's thrive.


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03-26-2020, 07:22 PM

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My parents never forgot the conditions they lived through in the Great depression.
Same with my parents. They rarely spoke of it and only with others their own age when they did.

IMO, this cannot begin to compare.

The Great Depression was a perfect storm of sorts.
Post-war Europe.
Black Tuesday.
The Dust Bowl.
Shortsighted Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act .

These events all played huge roles. Hopefully, we are wiser now and can prevent history from repeating.


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03-26-2020, 07:48 PM

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Same with my parents. They rarely spoke of it and only with others their own age when they did.

IMO, this cannot begin to compare.

The Great Depression was a perfect storm of sorts.
Post-war Europe.
Black Tuesday.
The Dust Bowl.
Shortsighted Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act .

These events all played huge roles. Hopefully, we are wiser now and can prevent history from repeating.
Agreed, those of us who weren't there, even those like me who've read volumes about it, can hardly imagine the Depression.

I recall some twenty years ago watching "The Three Stooges" with my uncle, who even then was in his 70's. I always enjoyed their comedy and the way they regularly found themselves employed in jobs for which they had no skills.

My uncle offered an insight that I'll never forget. He'd grown up in the depression and noted how when unemployment skyrocketed, people were so desperate for work that many people tried, and sometimes succeeded, at getting jobs for which they were absolutely unsuitable.

He related that he had seen "The Three Stooges" (cinema shorts back then) in the 1930's and explained to me that when they took on all these jobs at which they were incompetent, it was just a satire on something that was actually going on during the Depression.

To me, it was pure comedy. To him, it was satire. Guess you had to be there to truly understand the Depression.
  
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03-26-2020, 07:55 PM

I think sadly that many rooms will not reopen again- so there will be probably less rooms now than any period in the last 100 years. Honestly believe that pool will be close to extinct in the U.S. within 20 years. i may lose the value of my entire collection too- but I'm not selling- I love them!
  
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03-26-2020, 09:34 PM

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Agreed, those of us who weren't there, even those like me who've read volumes about it, can hardly imagine the Depression.

I recall some twenty years ago watching "The Three Stooges" with my uncle, who even then was in his 70's. I always enjoyed their comedy and the way they regularly found themselves employed in jobs for which they had no skills.

My uncle offered an insight that I'll never forget. He'd grown up in the depression and noted how when unemployment skyrocketed, people were so desperate for work that many people tried, and sometimes succeeded, at getting jobs for which they were absolutely unsuitable.

He related that he had seen "The Three Stooges" (cinema shorts back then) in the 1930's and explained to me that when they took on all these jobs at which they were incompetent, it was just a satire on something that was actually going on during the Depression.

To me, it was pure comedy. To him, it was satire. Guess you had to be there to truly understand the Depression.
I had this conversation with my 98 year old aunt (a New Yorker) last week. I asked her if she had seen anything like this in her lifetime before. She immediately answered YES! I was stunned. She then launched into a ten minute soliloquy of what the Great Depression was like. It began with the stock market crash of 1929 and continued unabated for the next ten years! In 1939 we began manufacturing armaments for WWII and that breathed some life into our industry, and the jobs to go with it. In essence the war saved our country.

She said that everybody was out of work and families would line up at the bread lines each day to get their ration of soup and bread. There was no unemployment or bail out for anyone. Most businesses were shuttered. People slept in the street or alleys at night and bundled up together when it was cold, maybe one blanket to cover them all. My grandfather had been a wealthy man, the owner of the largest diamond cutting factory in New York. He was smart and saved his money. He had to close up shop, but he owned the building. He let his employees who had no place to stay sleep at the factory, where they had heat and restrooms. He had food brought in every day for them. They no longer got paid, but they survived!

She told me that when their neighbors were getting their homes foreclosed they came to my grandpa, Jay Dinhofer. He would lend them the money to pay the mortgage, usually small amounts like $30 or $40. Grandpa Jay had provided diamonds to the Bulova watch company and in the depression he bought in and became one of the owners. I'm proud to carry his name.

P.S. That building on 23rd St. (over 150,000 square feet on six floors) is still in our family and I own exactly 1% of it.


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