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Thumbs down Be aware Cirzoke (cheater) - 06-08-2013, 02:13 PM

http://forums.azbilliards.com/search...rchid=10973081

I paid $400 to this guy last month but don`t receive Tacio Bautista cue that order from him. Contact him many times but he disappear.No credence guy. Let me very angry.


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06-08-2013, 02:28 PM

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I paid $400 to this guy last month but don`t receive Tacio Bautista cue that order from him. Contact him many times but he disappear.No credence guy. Let me very angry.
Don't be angry, just call your Credit Company that you funded your PayPal payment with and dispute the charge for non-delivery and it will be like it never happened.

Don't worry.

Be happy.

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06-08-2013, 04:27 PM

I don't think it works that way with Paypal linked to a checking account and backed up with a credit card.
The credit card will only be used if there is not enough in the checking account. You have to contact Paypal right away if merchandise is not delivered. Then Paypal will try to recover the money for you unless the seller has already withdrawn the funds. But if you sent the funds as a gift, you're screwed.
  
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06-08-2013, 04:36 PM

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I don't think it works that way with Paypal linked to a checking account and backed up with a credit card.
The credit card will only be used if there is not enough in the checking account. You have to contact Paypal right away if merchandise is not delivered. Then Paypal will try to recover the money for you unless the seller has already withdrawn the funds. But if you sent the funds as a gift, you're screwed.
Yeah, no.

Regardless of how many bank accounts you have linked, as long as you have no balance in your PayPal account you can choose any funding method you like. If you use a credit card, you can dispute the payment with to your credit card back, bypass PayPal's dispute process completely, and win 100% of the time. If you pay people you don't know and have never met, using some other method, well then you are dooming yourself to starting threads and venting about your lost dough.

What the recipient has done with the funds has zero effect on your recourse. If you do it right, you are 1005 dead-nuts lock protected.

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06-08-2013, 05:03 PM

I hope this helps. I'm the For Sale section moderator on BDN (Bilyar.net) in the Philippines and Cirzoke's name on BDN is "voicewriter". His name is Tim Filart.

I think he is an upstanding guy as far as I can tell although I have no direct knowledge of Tim. Something must have happened to prevent him from communicating. It has been raining and some floods in Manila lately.

I just sent voicewriter a PM on BDN. He plays in local BDN Tournaments also. On AZ he has listed as a friend Blackpearlmaker (Al Bautista) so maybe you can contact Al via PM. Maybe Al might know something. Al is a really good custom cuemaker in Manila and he is is a guy you can trust.

Another suggestion is to navigate to BDN and post a message for him there in my for sale section. You may have to register but it would be easy.

Just trying to help!

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06-08-2013, 06:23 PM

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Yeah, no.

Regardless of how many bank accounts you have linked, as long as you have no balance in your PayPal account you can choose any funding method you like. If you use a credit card, you can dispute the payment with to your credit card back, bypass PayPal's dispute process completely, and win 100% of the time. If you pay people you don't know and have never met, using some other method, well then you are dooming yourself to starting threads and venting about your lost dough.

What the recipient has done with the funds has zero effect on your recourse. If you do it right, you are 1005 dead-nuts lock protected.

Kevin

Great post Kevin, but it really gets old when you give people the correct information and others have to try and shoot you down.

Take care buddy.


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06-08-2013, 06:31 PM

Kevin is 100 percent correct. I use Amex and they are fantastic . Can't say enough good things about their customer service.
  
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06-08-2013, 07:26 PM

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Yeah, no.

Regardless of how many bank accounts you have linked, as long as you have no balance in your PayPal account you can choose any funding method you like. If you use a credit card, you can dispute the payment with to your credit card back, bypass PayPal's dispute process completely, and win 100% of the time. If you pay people you don't know and have never met, using some other method, well then you are dooming yourself to starting threads and venting about your lost dough.

What the recipient has done with the funds has zero effect on your recourse. If you do it right, you are 1005 dead-nuts lock protected.

Kevin
Thanks for that info, Kevin. I was not aware of that, but just checked with Paypal and you are correct. Wish I had known about funding via credit card. I lost $700 for a watch I never received and Paypal was not able to recover my money because I filed a dispute a few days too late.
  
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06-09-2013, 01:07 AM

Hope it does help a little in terms of contacting! https://m.facebook.com/?refsrc=http%...user=675528777


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06-09-2013, 01:24 AM

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Regardless of how many bank accounts you have linked, as long as you have no balance in your PayPal account you can choose any funding method you like. If you use a credit card, you can dispute the payment with to your credit card back, bypass PayPal's dispute process completely, and win 100% of the time. If you pay people you don't know and have never met, using some other method, well then you are dooming yourself to starting threads and venting about your lost dough.

What the recipient has done with the funds has zero effect on your recourse. If you do it right, you are 1005 dead-nuts lock protected.

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Good to know.

If you use the "gift" option when sending payment, but still use a credit card, is it still just as easy to dispute the payment and be refunded the money to your card?


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Good to know.

If you use the "gift" option when sending payment, but still use a credit card, is it still just as easy to dispute the payment and be refunded the money to your card?
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06-09-2013, 01:49 AM

So what happens if someone sells a cue through PayPal, get payment, and ship it. Then the buyer disputes it saying they didn't get it when they did.

Does this come back on the seller even though the buyer committed fraud or does the credit card company eat it?

I ask because I want to sell a cue and this has concerned me.

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Good to know.

If you use the "gift" option when sending payment, but still use a credit card, is it still just as easy to dispute the payment and be refunded the money to your card?
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Nope.

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I see, so someone has to pay the PayPal fees in order for the buyer to be able to get his payment reversed through his credit card company?


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06-09-2013, 06:36 AM

you can't have it both ways....rip PayPal off of their fee and still get the protection...."gift" gets so abused on this site, and others I assume, it won't be around much longer.
  
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06-09-2013, 07:18 AM

Just don't use ''Gift'' if you feel uneasy about it.Somebody can get the item and
still file against you and win.Now your out the money and the merchandise and
basically your screwed.
Personally I've never had an issue(thank God) and hopefully never will.

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