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12-22-2013, 02:02 PM

Don't forget about Florida, there is Tony Crosby, Donny Mills, Anthony Meglino, Stoney Stone, Adam Wheeler and several other very good players
  
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12-22-2013, 02:14 PM

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Don't forget about Florida, there is Tony Crosby, Donny Mills, Anthony Meglino, Stoney Stone, Adam Wheeler and several other very good players
Thanks James... I love Tony to death but he is a transplant so unless he has gotten his US Citizenship I won't be adding him... Anthony I am unfamiliar with but Adam and Stoney are definitely up and coming.. Wondering how they match up with some of the other young guns on the list... Donny I am adding immediately

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12-22-2013, 02:18 PM

I don't understand the point of this list and putting different colored hats on people,.


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12-22-2013, 02:31 PM

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Looking at North America and knowing that we will soon see many events going to an invitational I was trying to put together a list of available talent on North American soil that could be on the list of the possible professional players going forward who could vie for representing sponsors and the USA in the Mosconi cup if they let us draft from Canada and don't replace us with Asia.....

Canada
Alex Pagulayan
John Morra
Jason Klatt

USA
Shane Van Boening
Corey Deuel
Brandon Shuff
Tony Robles
Hunter Lombardo
Johnny Archer
Oscar Dominguez
John Schmidt
Chris Bartrum
Chip Compton
Joey Gray
Robb Saez
Justin Bergman
Justin Hall
Shannon Daulton
Max Eberle
Tommy Kennedy
Jeremy Jones
Shawn Putnam
Johnathan Pinegar
Josh O'neil
Danny Green
Shawn Wilkie
Skyler Woodard
Jeremy Sossei
Jesse Engel
Donny Mills
Cleiton Rocha
Tom D'Alfonso
Adam Smith
Scott Frost
Landon Shuffett - Has more important irons in the fire.....

USA conditional on Behavior
Earl Strickland
Mike DeChaine
Larry Nevel

USA omitted due to image issues
Dennis Hatch
Rodney Morris
Gabe Owen
Scooter
Charlie Williams

USA Retired?
CJ Wiley
Mike Davis
Mike Sigel
Kim Davenport
Keith McCreedy
a sundry of others......

USA Specialists
Danny Harriman
John Brumbeck
Shannon Murphy
Cliff Joyner
Sylver Ochoa


I know I am missing some players... There are 2 out of the Minnesota Area that are under 25 and did well at the Open in the last few years.. One of them was dating Kathryn Fairchild for awhile..Her name I remember because she played a match in the Open wearing what I can only assume were magical jeans... I say this because I noted them as I walked past and was hypnotized into almost walking over the end rail when the bleachers ended .....

Just trying to look at the future of the game and I see lots of young talent coming up when we all consider the game to be dying......

Who else do you add to the list if you are going to create the professional ranks and present an image that can be peddled to sponsors?

Gambling may have to go if a pro invitational tour list is compiled so some of these guys will likely be unwilling to get out of any action unless the new body approves the match and it is high profile and streamed.. Gotta do a makeover on the image as priority number 1 if we want sponsors...

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12-22-2013, 02:51 PM

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I don't understand the point of this list and putting different colored hats on people,.
Simple point... Trying to come up with a list for invitationals based upon North American Players Only.....

This would be a list of what would be considered professional speed players who could be possibly groomed and managed into an actual product/tour...

I could care less if the best player in North America was on the list if they are a convicted felon, has a history of behavioral problems or are otherwise not good for approaching sponsors with because of image problems..

I would have no problem moving a person from the retired to active list if they suddenly start going out to events again or state they would be willing to be part of a tour.....

At this point sure this is the cart before the horse but getting it out on paper lets us see what kind of talent pool could be drawn from if someone wanted to try and do smaller 16-32 man invitationals at 6-8 a year....

Invitationals mean fewer players smaller venues but more opportunity for chasing sponsors and marketing the product....

A list means the players could partner up to help cover expenses because they know who they are going to be seeing every stop.....

The next step would be to identify the Regions where events could be held... Europe has a definite advantage in Logistics because of the size.. Traveling between countries is similar to hopping states except 1500 miles will get you from the UK to Bosnia... 1500 miles will get you from Florida all the way up the east coast.... When Oscar comes to Chesapeak from LA it's 2700 miles.....

Maybe getting an idea of where the players reside would be in order... I'll amend my list for locations and see what that shows...

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12-22-2013, 03:04 PM

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No disrespect... but who are you and how were you appointed to pick what players will play in invitationals?
I have not been appointed.. And my list means absolutely nothing other than an exercise in getting an idea of what players are out there.. The Open tournament model is and has been broken... Things are changing in case you are not aware... Mark Griffin is going to an invitational model and the Bigfoot may spin into a tour and will also be invitational if it does... Mark will have a list and Greg will have a list... Likely including many Euro players...

IF you wanted an American tour it has to be regimented and not open to anyone who shows up with the cash to play... It has to be an actual professional model of some sorts... Amateurs only get to play with pros in Pro-Ams in Golf.. By establishing a list and tour it would follow that a way onto the list would be needed and open a whole new area and twist to amateur events around the country...

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results... This is just an idea of a way to do something different because as they say.. Something has to give......

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I have not been appointed.. And my list means absolutely nothing other than an exercise in getting an idea of what players are out there.. The Open tournament model is and has been broken... Things are changing in case you are not aware... Mark Griffin is going to an invitational model and the Bigfoot may spin into a tour and will also be invitational if it does... Mark will have a list and Greg will have a list... Likely including many Euro players...

IF you wanted an American tour it has to be regimented and not open to anyone who shows up with the cash to play... It has to be an actual professional model of some sorts... Amateurs only get to play with pros in Pro-Ams in Golf.. By establishing a list and tour it would follow that a way onto the list would be needed and open a whole new area and twist to amateur events around the country...

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results... This is just an idea of a way to do something different because as they say.. Something has to give......

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Actually, I am aware of the changes...and what is needed...thank you for your honesty on your position.
  
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12-22-2013, 03:10 PM

It might be interesting to build a google map from your list, to illustrate the distribution of players by region or state.
  
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It might be interesting to build a google map from your list, to illustrate the distribution of players by region or state.
That's not a bad idea!

Joe Tucker should do this as well for his organization and publish it.

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Adam Smith
Brandon Shuff
Charlie Bryant
Charlie Williams
Chip Compton
Chris Bartrum - Ohio
Cleiton Rocha
Corey Deuel
Danny Green - Tennessee
Donny Mills - Florida
Hunter Lombardo - Florida
Jeremy Jones
Jeremy Sossei
Jesse Engel - Minnesota
Joey Gray
John Schmidt
Johnathan Pinegar - Tennessee
Johnny Archer - Georgia
Josh O'neil - Tennessee
Justin Bergman
Justin Hall
Landon Shuffett - Has more important irons in the fire.....
Max Eberle
Oscar Dominguez - California
Robb Saez
Scott Frost - Arizona
Shane Van Boening - South Dakota
Shannon Daulton - South Carolina
Shawn Putnam - Georgia
Shawn Wilkie
Skyler Woodard
Tom D'Alfonso
Tommy Kennedy - Florida
Tony Robles - New York


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12-22-2013, 05:06 PM

I see now.. never mind....


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12-22-2013, 05:44 PM

Jose Parica and Santos Sambajon should be on the list. They have been residents in the US forever.
  
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12-22-2013, 06:54 PM

George Breedlove and Jesse bowman. Chris gentile as a specialist.
  
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12-22-2013, 07:11 PM

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