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08-14-2014, 07:44 AM

The SEE system uses the shadow for aiming. Its the one on the bottom of the ball when it contacts the table. Its always there...I thought it had to do with lighting also but every table has it. I was given the course to try it out and I did. Its pretty good but gets real complicated real quick so I didn't stick with it.


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no shadows for me - 08-14-2014, 08:06 AM

I have the new LED light and my shadows are not there like this example. damn hi tech light.


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08-14-2014, 08:24 AM

so preceding CJ's advice, Kinister mentions how your eyes need 40 min or so to adjust from outside daylight to a dimly lit room (lots of gold tidbits in his stuff)
  
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I agree with learning as many as possible…. - 08-14-2014, 10:30 AM

…then you will find that most are pure bunk.!

Find something concrete and objective, and stay away from the subjective systems.


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do what most pros do, …. don't aim at all !


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08-14-2014, 12:05 PM

I always look forward to the latest CJ post- gets my mind working and focused. I'll be looking for shadows tonight on the table.
  
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08-14-2014, 12:35 PM

I've been using cast shadows for a few years as reference. It's not really a full system so to speak, but it's definately a good check. Of course it does depend on the lights to some extent, but I've found pretty usable shadows under almost all types of lights (flourescent and bulbs)

If it's applicable (and it surprisingly often is), I will use where the cast shadow intersects the invisible line going through the ball to the pocket. It's a little more reliable towards the rails, but it's just something else to aim at.

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08-14-2014, 12:57 PM

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Playing at the higher levels I would think double and triple checks come into play anytime you are faced with something that is not standard fare..... I use CTE, SEE system, Fractional, Spot on the table, and anything I can think of when I am playing full speed and a ball rolls soemwhere tthat doesn't fit the ROTE system in my head.....
I tend to think it is the other way around. If a high level player does not pretty much automatically know how to aim any shot on the table then he is not a high level player.

I think most people (not talking about complete novices) can learn how to properly aim just about any shot in a matter of weeks. Getting your eyes in the right spot and delivering a straight stroke is the part that may take years to learn.


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08-14-2014, 01:45 PM

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I tend to think it is the other way around. If a high level player does not pretty much automatically know how to aim any shot on the table then he is not a high level player.

I think most people (not talking about complete novices) can learn how to properly aim just about any shot in a matter of weeks. Getting your eyes in the right spot and delivering a straight stroke is the part that may take years to learn.
You brought up some really good points. In particular about the eyes. Teaching someone to get their head in the right place is the hardest aspect to teach someone in this game. You just can't see what they're seeing. Add to the matter of having the head in the wrong place, centre cue ball, the shot line and so on are not actually the correct lines and centre's to pocket a ball or hit where you think you are hitting the cue ball. I would put having the head in the wrong position to why people develop crooked strokes over the years. They have to cue across, steer and snake the cue through the delivery process because their eyes are playing tricks on the brain. Get the head in the right position, it makes it easier to develop a straight stroke and then you can start messing with shadows, light spots and other magical methods.
  
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This information can be amazingly beneficial so give it some serious thought.
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Lightbulb This information can be amazingly beneficial so give it some serious thought. - 08-15-2014, 12:39 AM

One of the things I teach is how to raise mental potential in various ways playing pocket billiards. The subconscious is an amazing tool when utilized correctly and can actually be detrimental {in ways} if it's not. I believe it's important to learn ways to maximize our potential, not only in our pool games, also in business, and personal areas of our lives.

Our senses tend to get stronger in one area, when weakened in another. For example, if the lights were to suddenly go out we all instantly have better touch and feel - it's proven that blind people have better hearing (and touch for reading braille) and visa versa. Many people don't "real eyes" that we can intentionally decrease and increase our senses.

We can use this phenomenon to our advantage when we get down on a pool shot. Above the ball we want to be 90% (for example only) visual and only about 10% kinesthetic (feel and touch).....we stay in that mode and concentrate mostly on the object ball until our hand hits the table and our focus shifts to the cue ball.......at this point our visual sense should be deliberately diminished (towards the object ball) so we can raise our sense of touch (and feel) to connect and fully absorb into the shot.

Understanding how this is done is a HUGE advantage because it enables the player to maximize both their visual experience AND their "feel and touch" experience on the same shot by effectively shifting back and forth from one to the other at EXACTLY the vital time, thus synergistically increasing both sense's full potential.

This information can be amazingly beneficial so give it some serious thought....you'll be glad you did and if this process "clicks" you will have a very powerful mental tool in your "pool box" that may also enhance other areas of your life. www.thegameistheteacher.com





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08-15-2014, 06:03 AM

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I have the new LED light and my shadows are not there like this example. damn hi tech light.
When tables have 3 hanging lights and incandescent bulbs there are shadows.
This could also be called duckie aiming. Pick out a shadow just behind the OB.... not!

With full length fluorescent bulbs or LED lighting, the shadows are not defined.
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You brought up some really good points. In particular about the eyes. Teaching someone to get their head in the right place is the hardest aspect to teach someone in this game. You just can't see what they're seeing. Add to the matter of having the head in the wrong place, centre cue ball, the shot line and so on are not actually the correct lines and centre's to pocket a ball or hit where you think you are hitting the cue ball. I would put having the head in the wrong position to why people develop crooked strokes over the years. They have to cue across, steer and snake the cue through the delivery process because their eyes are playing tricks on the brain. Get the head in the right position, it makes it easier to develop a straight stroke and then you can start messing with shadows, light spots and other magical methods.
Absolutely. I had a crooked stroke for my entire pool playing history. It was just A LITTLE crooked and never knew it because my alignment "looked" perfect. Now I have a perfectly straight stroke because my eyes are in the correct place, and my brain does not feel a need to wobble through the stroke to pocket a ball. I could shoot accurately before, but not when I had to really hit a ball hard. The other barrier to getting the head in the right spot is that it won't necessarily feel like the right spot at first. IMO, "dominant eye" should not necessarily be over the ball.


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08-15-2014, 04:35 PM

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One of the things I teach is how to raise mental potential in various ways playing pocket billiards. The subconscious is an amazing tool when utilized correctly and can actually be detrimental {in ways} if it's not. I believe it's important to learn ways to maximize our potential, not only in our pool games, also in business, and personal areas of our lives.

Our senses tend to get stronger in one area, when weakened in another. For example, if the lights were to suddenly go out we all instantly have better touch and feel - it's proven that blind people have better hearing (and touch for reading braille) and visa versa. Many people don't "real eyes" that we can intentionally decrease and increase our senses.

We can use this phenomenon to our advantage when we get down on a pool shot. Above the ball we want to be 90% (for example only) visual and only about 10% kinesthetic (feel and touch).....we stay in that mode and concentrate mostly on the object ball until our hand hits the table and our focus shifts to the cue ball.......at this point our visual sense should be deliberately diminished (towards the object ball) so we can raise our sense of touch (and feel) to connect and fully absorb into the shot.

Understanding how this is done is a HUGE advantage because it enables the player to maximize both their visual experience AND their "feel and touch" experience on the same shot by effectively shifting back and forth from one to the other at EXACTLY the vital time, thus synergistically increasing both sense's full potential.

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I couldn't agree more with this statement. You have to feel the QB and the shot with your grip hand.
What I find during practice is that I shoot shots with my grip hand and not the tip of the cue. It s like the tip of my cue is on my grip hand. If that makes any sense. :-)

One way you can experience this for yourself (without a cue in your hand or QB) is to line up a cut shot on an OB as you normally would, bend over to shoot the shot and imagine playing the QB one or two rail position off the OB to the next shot. What you will notice is that your feel/touch has become very sensitive to the shot. That's what your looking for on every shot.

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You brought up some really good points. In particular about the eyes. Teaching someone to get their head in the right place is the hardest aspect to teach someone in this game. You just can't see what they're seeing. Add to the matter of having the head in the wrong place, centre cue ball, the shot line and so on are not actually the correct lines and centre's to pocket a ball or hit where you think you are hitting the cue ball. I would put having the head in the wrong position to why people develop crooked strokes over the years. ...
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Absolutely. I had a crooked stroke for my entire pool playing history. It was just A LITTLE crooked and never knew it because my alignment "looked" perfect. Now I have a perfectly straight stroke because my eyes are in the correct place, and my brain does not feel a need to wobble through the stroke to pocket a ball. I could shoot accurately before, but not when I had to really hit a ball hard. The other barrier to getting the head in the right spot is that it won't necessarily feel like the right spot at first. IMO, "dominant eye" should not necessarily be over the ball.
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the light doesn't even have to be directly over the table which is amazing to me
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Lightbulb the light doesn't even have to be directly over the table which is amazing to me - 08-17-2014, 02:37 PM

The shadow is simply a relative point used to make the connection between the two balls and the light doesn't even have to be directly over the table. I'm not sure why this works, it just does, and I haven't found a table yet that negates it's effectiveness.

Shane uses different parts of his ferrule (the inside ones of course) which is very precise, especially on long shots where the object ball is near the center of the table.


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Great post, everything depends on table lights, all this is known for years now, along with aiming to OB light reflection when 3 light system is used, as long as it's placed right over the table.
Shadows can be used more in carom games, where aiming goals "restrict" to ball number 2.
In Pool, mainly when one wants to play safe off a fine thin cut.
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Did you know that many great players use the SHADOW of the Object Ball? These are commonly known as "Shadow Targets" and they can open up your eyes to something that you may have missed (or has caused you to miss) all these years.

There are three basic "Shadow Targets,"

1) Where the shadow connects to the object ball (cast or cone shadow)

2) The center of the cast shadow (this will lean towards the "contact side") on the table cast by the Object Ball

3) The edge of the Object Ball shadow (on the side opposite the intended pocket) - this is also cast on the table by the O.B.
I don't get it.... When the earth revolves, the shadows from the rising sun are cast toward the West.

Shadows from the setting sun are cast to the East. The sun remains still. The ball (earth) revolves.

Earth casts a shadow on changing moon positions. That shadow moves from one side to the other.

Shadows cast from an OB will vary as positions change on the table. The light source remains still.

I'd have some understanding to what you're saying if the light source was from a single bulb. It isn't.

With multiple light sources and all the variables of OB positions... How can this be used for aiming?
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