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Trump’s Syrian Maneuver Works – President Erdogan Asks for Negotiations With Kurds - 10-14-2019, 10:10 PM

No matter the outcome of any "deal" involving Turkey, Erdogan can not be trusted.


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10-15-2019, 02:34 AM

He just wants the sanctions lifted and hope to keep the European big companies manufacturing in Turkey.


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10-15-2019, 09:24 AM

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President Trump has played this out perfectly
No, he hasn't.

As Turkey may call for negotiations, with who knows how much sincerity if any at all, they continue to create facts on the ground and consolidate their territorial grab.

Facts on the ground that only happened because President Trump most definitely allowed it by a decidedly FUBAR handling of a snap decision on a phone call.

Someone who negligently allowed a house to be set on fire deserves no real credit for quickly looking for the water hose to get it hooked up, as the house continues to burn.


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10-15-2019, 09:30 AM

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No, he hasn't.

As Turkey may call for negotiations, with who knows how much sincerity if any at all, they continue to create facts on the ground and consolidate their territorial grab.

Facts on the ground that only happened because President Trump most definitely allowed it by a decidedly FUBAR handling of a snap decision on a phone call.

Someone who negligently allowed a house to be set on fire deserves no real credit for quickly looking for the water hose to get it hooked up, as the house continues to burn.




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10-15-2019, 10:42 PM

I heard they were negotiating with Syria as well. Until something concrete is agreed upon/negotiated, how can anyone think he played it perfectly? It's like saying China wants to make a deal really bad, but of course, they haven't done so yet. Dang that is some strong cool aid.
  
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10-16-2019, 06:24 AM

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I heard they were negotiating with Syria as well. Until something concrete is agreed upon/negotiated, how can anyone think he played it perfectly? It's like saying China wants to make a deal really bad, but of course, they haven't done so yet. Dang that is some strong cool aid.
I wouldn't say by any means that "this was played perfectly". However, those of you on the left criticizing him would also criticize him if he had stayed and sent reinforcements for "trying to start a war with Turkey, an ally and NATO nation". No matter what Trump does, you will criticize him. I would love to see the internal conflict you would have if he suddenly came out against the 2nd Amendment.
There are 3 sides there, and we are allies with all of them. Some, we should not be, and in that region there is no telling the difference from the "good guys" and the "bad guys".


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10-16-2019, 06:54 AM

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No, he hasn't.

As Turkey may call for negotiations, with who knows how much sincerity if any at all, they continue to create facts on the ground and consolidate their territorial grab.

Facts on the ground that only happened because President Trump most definitely allowed it by a decidedly FUBAR handling of a snap decision on a phone call.

Someone who negligently allowed a house to be set on fire deserves no real credit for quickly looking for the water hose to get it hooked up, as the house continues to burn.
Doves should not turn into hawks overnight either. Wish you would have stood up for the RSVN but you didn't. This is just your Trump H8 being manifested.
  
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10-16-2019, 01:05 PM

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I wouldn't say by any means that "this was played perfectly". However, those of you on the left criticizing him would also criticize him if he had stayed and sent reinforcements for "trying to start a war with Turkey, an ally and NATO nation". No matter what Trump does, you will criticize him. I would love to see the internal conflict you would have if he suddenly came out against the 2nd Amendment.
There are 3 sides there, and we are allies with all of them. Some, we should not be, and in that region there is no telling the difference from the "good guys" and the "bad guys".
according to NATO paragraph five (i think) the US is bound to aid them if called upon. if the US personel was still with the kurds, theoretically US could fight the US. what did ole george washington say about foreign entanglement..
  
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10-16-2019, 02:11 PM

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This message was wholly created by his fellow comrades at the DNC group think project, where they strive to achieve a society that no one thinks for themselves.
Some idiotic claim here.

So how did the DNC supposedly get the Republican senators and Congressmen to take up their supposedly only partisan lying talking points?

Answer: they didn't. The Rs agree with those points, many even saying so in public remarks (including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell) because they are neither partisan nor propaganda.

What is propaganda is sundance's consistent claim that however much this president fails, it is all great and going as planned, and who it is who has surrendered their critical thinking to group think are those who think he's right.

Unless sundance would modify his commentary, that what is working is PDJT's plan to do what Putin wants in that country, to the benefit of Russia and its regional allies, Syria and Iran, because I would then agree with him. Yes, that plan is working very well indeed.

If that is not PDJT's plan, his plan is not working out, because that is the obvious outcome.


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10-16-2019, 02:15 PM

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according to NATO paragraph five (i think) the US is bound to aid them if called upon. if the US personel was still with the kurds, theoretically US could fight the US. what did ole george washington say about foreign entanglement..
The members of NATO are treaty-obligated to come to the defense of fellow members if they come under attack by aggressors in their borders, not support their own aggression across international borders (if that causes counter-attacks on them).


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Doves should not turn into hawks overnight either. Wish you would have stood up for the RSVN but you didn't. This is just your Trump H8 being manifested.
Gosh, so leaving Syria is just like an over 10 year engagement with ~500,000 troops in country, after dropping more bomb tonnage in an area no larger than California than was dropped by both sides in WW II (including all the firebombing and saturation bombings plus the kilotonage of the two atomic bombs), with 59k to 63k dead American soldiers, and countless more wounded and maimed for life, which still hadn't gotten the job done and had no prospect to succeed if we spent decades more there?

The hell it is. Because: ^^^^.

How in the world can you draw the slightest equivalence between these two combat theaters? Maybe read a little more in those military history books, if you think they are remotely comparable.


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Gosh, so leaving Syria is just like an over 10 year engagement with ~500,000 troops in country, after dropping more bomb tonnage in an area no larger than California than was dropped by both sides in WW II (including all the firebombing and saturation bombings plus the kilotonage of the two atomic bombs), with 59k to 63k dead American soldiers, and countless more wounded and maimed for life, which still hadn't gotten the job done and had no prospect to succeed if we spent decades more there?

The hell it is. Because: ^^^^.

How in the world can you draw the slightest equivalence between these two combat theaters? Maybe read a little more in those military history books, if you think they are remotely comparable.
So, what you support and not support in "wars" is predicated on the number of years and the number of expected casualties of the conflict in question? Is it good, bad or ugly, who knows? And you surely are the last one that would know.

Lets go ask the folks that are there. Why are we there, who got us there, how long are we staying, when does it all end? According to you, it doesn't.


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10-16-2019, 09:56 PM

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I wouldn't say by any means that "this was played perfectly". However, those of you on the left criticizing him would also criticize him if he had stayed and sent reinforcements for "trying to start a war with Turkey, an ally and NATO nation". No matter what Trump does, you will criticize him. I would love to see the internal conflict you would have if he suddenly came out against the 2nd Amendment.
There are 3 sides there, and we are allies with all of them. Some, we should not be, and in that region there is no telling the difference from the "good guys" and the "bad guys".
I'm not really critisizing, just pointing out that is way too early to break out the bubbly water. Erdogan will probably end up doing some kind of compromise I would think, as I would bet now that the US is gone, Russia is fixing to start getting much more involved compared to what they were before. With them backing Syria, I don't see him not compromising as he can't win, not possible. So far the US has been trying to get Turkey to stop with threats of the economic kind, but it seems they aren't listening, not even a little bit.
  
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10-16-2019, 10:23 PM

Ok I just listened to Trump say in a news conference that is Turky doesn't heed the US on stopping the offensive in Syria he will impose tarrifs on steel, and "they won't be making so much money". When will someone tell him that the citizens of the US are paying the tarrifs, Turkey is not paying a dime, not a single penny. Granted the imports form Turkey on steel may slow, which would cause them to lose revenue, but tarrifs are not paid by those countries or even companies that produce the materials that are under tarrif.
  
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10-17-2019, 06:08 AM

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Ok I just listened to Trump say in a news conference that is Turky doesn't heed the US on stopping the offensive in Syria he will impose tarrifs on steel, and "they won't be making so much money". When will someone tell him that the citizens of the US are paying the tarrifs, Turkey is not paying a dime, not a single penny. Granted the imports form Turkey on steel may slow, which would cause them to lose revenue, but tarrifs are not paid by those countries or even companies that produce the materials that are under tarrif.
Where they "pay" is by not selling. If you think the Chinese tariffs are not hurting China more than anybody else, you are mistaken. It is hurting China with trade in Europe as well, not just here.
I don't like tariffs either for exactly that reason, we are the ones that ultimately pay them, but they are still a useful tool if not abused.


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