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10-17-2019, 09:00 AM

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Donít appreciate the Small Town, Nowhere comment, thatís where I live. Nobody plays bar rules around here.
I grew up in Small Town, Nowhere and the "bar rules" described here precisely describes pool play in the bars there. I can't stand having to defend my morality or manhood when I play defense in a "bar rules" scenario so I just don't play there. It's way better to play people that have a good grasp on defined APA/BCA style rules.


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10-17-2019, 09:02 AM

Were I play we get a lot of people from all over, our standard is BCAPL you be amazed
how often you get complaints about them. No "take what you make", no spotting balls or shooting fouls from the kitchen, leave the bar rues in the bar.
  
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10-17-2019, 09:19 AM

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I grew up in Small Town, Nowhere and the "bar rules" described here precisely describes pool play in the bars there. I can't stand having to defend my morality or manhood when I play defense in a "bar rules" scenario so I just don't play there. It's way better to play people that have a good grasp on defined APA/BCA style rules.
Well put. Ever looked at the wrong end of a pistol 'cause you played safe? Happened to friend years ago in a $5 8ball game. Owner calmed the guy down but for a minute it didn't look good. Looking back i can't believe how often me or a bud dodged serious harm scuffling for bucks. Crazy.
  
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10-17-2019, 09:21 AM

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Do you live by street rules? Hummm...I guess probably not. What are street rules? What are bar rules?

Rules-one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct within a particular activity or sphere.

Explicit or understood? I hate to have a lawyer in a pool game, but there is too much grey area with bar rules. As stated above, they change from bar to bar and person to person. Probably one of the biggest reasons pool has a bad reputation in the world. When I play at my local bar, I almost always insist on playing league rules and usually BCA rules to whoever I play. For one, it reduces arguments. Secondly, I feel it is better to teach amateurs the correct way to play so that maybe, just maybe, one day we will have a game that is respected by the community and make the world a better place.

BTW- I never play cut-throat,. When I play cut-throat, I play for keeps!
I totally agree. When someone wants to play bar rules many times I'll ask, "what are those, can you show them to me or tell me where I can find them?".


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10-17-2019, 09:30 AM

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I grew up in Small Town, Nowhere and the "bar rules" described here precisely describes pool play in the bars there. I can't stand having to defend my morality or manhood when I play defense in a "bar rules" scenario so I just don't play there. It's way better to play people that have a good grasp on defined APA/BCA style rules.
I hear defensive play in a bar referred to as many pseudo-sexual or racial derogatory
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10-17-2019, 09:33 AM

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I hear defensive play in a bar referred to as many pseudo-sexual or racial derogatory
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Someone literally said to me.... in April of 2019..... I don't play that N***r pool.
  
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10-17-2019, 10:56 AM

At least some rules have an explainable genesis behind them. As a youngster, all the tables around took a quarter (or 2 or 3) to get the balls out.

You couldn't spot balls..they were gone until the next game. You had no choice but to give a win to the breaker making the money ball...it was gone. I guess you could have called it a loss, but we didn't, unless of course you also scratched.

The house cues were garbage and nobody I knew had his own cue back then so a little cue ball relief from the rail made sense because you barely had a tip on the cue and there may or may not be any chalk in the place.

Accidentally bumping a ball just meant you moved it back where it was, you'd have to be a dick to expect more (we didn't yet know winning was so very very important).

And it was all 8 ball...we weren't paying 50 cents just to use half the balls.

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That's the fight starter right there. Some drunk whines "It didn't go in clean" and its on like DonkeyKong.
The first words out of my mouth when playing at any bar is, "you call the ball the call the pocket however it gets there its good", and by "call" I mean if its obvious its obvious. Banks, kicks, caroms, combos and the 8 ball must be called. If I intend to play for cash, I will have a goon friend with me, tends to make everybody more calm.
  
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So, you're playing 9-ball point-per-ball with a pushout? Do you have a scorekeeper???



Funny way to match up IMO.



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10-17-2019, 11:12 AM

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Donít appreciate the Small Town, Nowhere comment, thatís where I live. Nobody plays bar rules around here.


I too am from Small Town, Nowhere. Population 1330.


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Agree a bit with everybody! - 10-17-2019, 11:48 AM

Everybody has at least a good point or two, brought back memories too. I led a parade to my vehicle many a night always after playing for "chump change". You gotta realize most of these guys are working for minimum wage and your idea of chump change may burn through their paycheck after deductions pretty quickly! Fights or near fights, always over fairly small bets.

The easiest way to avoid confrontations or high blood pressure on your part is to just roll with whatever local rules are. Half of Texas came to Louisiana when times got tight in the oil patch many years ago. It was a rare night when I didn't hear somebody say "this isn't the way we do it in Texas" or "this isn't the way we do it in Houston. I took great pleasure in reminding them where they were at! I hit many odd rules in my travels, cost me one or two games to learn them and then I was good. Some were cheating and making up rules as they went along but mostly it was genuinely odd rules played in places.

About cut throat, I always thought it was fun. I could be sure the other two players would team up on me but it didn't help much. I had ten balls to shoot at, they only had five. A target rich environment and I didn't have to feel too bad about beating up on friends. I had a couple guys try something similar playing eight ball two shots to my one gambling one night. Told them it wasn't going to happen. When it did, a house cue accidentally broke and they had things explained to them. An ash european taper cue with about a foot missing, the end was as thick as my thumb and for a second or two I thought it wasn't going to accidentally break. Sounded like a pistol shot when it did and a piece hit a guy about to shoot. He scattered balls all over the table!

Bars, bar tables, bar pool, bar girls, loved them all! They are still playing for a drink, a beer, or three to five dollars a game most places so you can afford to lose a little learning the rules. Folks might want to read Smorg's old story about winning the Bob, and no he weren't in England!

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10-17-2019, 11:53 AM

I've played in bars all around the south, and south east. The strangest bar rule I've ever played by, "if you're on the 8 ball, and don't make a legal hit, (foul in the APA) you lose the game!" Talk about some fights. I had a friend that was an ex-marine playing a game and he missed the 8ball. So when the guy shot, he pushed the cue ball, behind one of his balls, and hooked him. Bad mistake, my friend grabbed the guy by the throat and lifted him off the floor, and was going to shove the money down his throat. I really thought he was going to choke the guy to death. We usually played, (what we called a gentleman's game) and he wasn't used to that kind of play.

Another time some guys were playing, a fight started, and pool balls were being thrown. An innocent guy, sitting at the bar, drinking his beer, and was hit in the temple with a ball, and it killed him instantly.
  
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10-17-2019, 12:05 PM

Played in hundreds if not thousands of bar games- never bet more than a drink in a bar because every bar had different rules going back to the 70s - balls going in "clean" , calling rail hits as "banks" touching opposing ball with your pocketed ball, scratches on 8 ball consequences, etc. etc. - any and all of these would be "fighting words' if any significant amount of cash was on the line- never needing someone else's cash, or the need to provoke or be provoked; made it easy for me to not bet high in a bar - walked away from many drinks just to not argue over "bar rules" and a few times in my life probably walked away from a major fight or worse- because losing a drink was never worth it. Glad i did what I did back then- strange bars at 1 am can be a very lonely and dangerous place when drinks and money and macho all get mixed together!

Now, if I have the right guys with me, and the rules are very clear, I will bet anything you want if the game is right.

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10-17-2019, 12:09 PM

Bar Rules are a cluster f**k. I will not engage in a bar game unless opponent knows AND understands BCA ball in hand call pocket rules prior to break PERIOD.

Been in some ugly situations like probably many members when rules change and are made up as game/set plays on even when they are gone over and supposedly understood prior to flip.

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10-17-2019, 12:58 PM

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Do you play by bar rules for 8 ball? At your table, not where you go to a bar and that's how they play.

I'm guessing most here don't.

What is it about bar rules that makes them not used? What is it about the rules you do play with that makes you use them?

I have my answers for why I play BCAPL rules. Like to hear yours.
At home I play by BCA rules; at my local bar we play local bar rules, sometimes with various "concessions" to weaker players.

Bar rules are "stupid" but when in Rome .....

I play by Bar rules at the local bar because that is the rules the Bar wants us to play by.
We play modified BCA/APA in bar tournaments. BCA mostly, but you are what you make on the break.

I like real BCA (all ball fouls,...) but few want this strict a game.
  
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